The emotion, without balance, it can be
pernicious. An introverted emotion causes
bitterness, hates and also traumas in the
person that suffers it.
An extroverted emotion can end in all type
of aggressions toward el who, we believe,
he/she attacks us.
It would not be positive to rob us of all
emotion, because we would stop to involve
ourselves with our environment. Our ego
would grow in form excessive when not
channeling it in any sense.
On the other hand, a non contained emotion
would transform us in completely impulsive
individuals.
It is necessary an analytic contention for
the emotions without control. It is also
indispensable a sensibility of conscience
for those people that believe that,
dominating the emotions, they are less
vulnerable and they finish being insensitive
with the other people's suffering.
A balanced emotion is the base so that the
person has the control of her impulses and
this way, she can give and to receive
love.
FOURTH PART
The human being has several facets or
different "different several me". It can be
sad, melancholic or depressive. The
important thing is that it doesn't identify
that state with an entirety. For example: -
"Today is a sad day, slope am totally, I
don't support my general state, etc." Nobody
slopes" is "totally, it is that person's ego
that is identified with a list. The ego is
sad, the ego is melancholic, and the ego
"slope" is.
They are the person's lists; he/she is not
the person in their entirety. That person
can have projects, plans or ideas that maybe
change part of her psychic state. And if the
lists of the ego "get used" to make of
victim, it is necessary to keep in mind that
a word of encouragement, a spiritual help or
a pleasing company can also alleviate the
depression and, little by little, to
transform it in euphoria.
You can avoid that the ego is identified
with a certain list and it is "taking off
the identification."
Ironically, it is the same ego el that
prevents the human being to arrive to
depersonalizes, because it is permanently in
"the periphery" of the field of the
conscience and he has the fellow's
control.
An example very seen it is given in people
with such a deteriorated self-esteem that
they live needing of the attention of the
other ones and their ego transforms those
people in completely absorbent beings and
manipulators. They live as something natural
to play victim's lists and to transfer
blames, and they don't realize the rejection
that you/they cause in the other ones,
because their ego them cloud the
discernment.
FIFTH PART
Psychointegration is such a simple road that
it is obvious. It means to integrate all the
lists, all the different several me. The
human beings have different several me,
those different several me they make the
person to have changes in her behavior: be
informal, with erratic personalities.
Because each I want to be the main character
and he/she wants to stand out losing in
shine to the other different several me. But
one doesn't give all that the other
different several me thinks in the same
way.
There is a Me Central, lacking ego that has
the whole discernment and it is the channel
that communicates with the Me Superior,
clarifying that the Me Superior is 90% of
our spirit that is in the corresponding
plane [2]. When the spirit is disincarnate
the Me Central and the Me Superior is the
same thing.
In the spirits of the Error, that Me
Superior doesn't have its integrated
protagonist lists and, therefore, although
the Me Central of the red fellow he/she
communicates, the guide that he/she receives
won't be valuable. On the contrary, it will
exacerbate more the acted character of the
different several me.
The ego possesses many lists: one of the
most pernicious is the arrogance. One cannot
have arrogance if one doesn't have ego. You
cannot be susceptible if ego is not
possessed. That ballast makes the person to
be offended, mount in cholera, submerge in a
lot of doubts, etc.
To integrate the ego is a victory of the
spirit. The person that doesn't play is not
prejudiced, she doesn't give space to the
offense, and you/he/she doesn't try to
manipulate others. The human being that
doesn't personify won't give place to the
ego centrism.
Subsequently a session of telepathic contact
is transcribed where a Teacher of Light
speech of Psychointegration (in this case
he/she made it Ron Hubbard).
SESSION OF THE 4/7/2000
Medium: Jorge Olguín.
Entities that were presented to dialogue:
Johnakan Ur-el, Me Superior or Thetan of
Jorge Olguín and Ruanel (Ron Hubbard), founder of
Dianetics and Scientology.
Speaker: Who will communicate?
Johnakan Ur-el: I am Johnakan, and after my
message I will give place to the Teacher Ron
so that it offers their opinion on diverse
topics.
I mean, in principle that we no longer have
a personality in the 5º vibration level,
because the personality is generally “tied”
to the ego.
But yes certain peculiarities exist, to say
it somehow that distinguish to a spirit of
another.
This way, Ron is for example, a little more
impulsive and more direct than my
personality; Kether, the Old man of the days
that was named Planetary Logoses twice and
at the moment it is embodied in the planet
Aní, it is a sharper little bit in their
ideas and that is not bad; Rah, of Antares
4, he/she is a being of very sweet voice,
the same as my dear Teacher Jesus, and Tar,
the “Messenger of the eons” that embodied in
the Earth in Egypt like Thot (Hermes
Trismegisto) it is very strict in their
messages.
I want to explain that me, as spiritual
entity and Thetan of this holder, I am
embodied in 10% in the holder, but now el
that is speaking is 90 remaining% that is in
the plane 5º of spiritual vibration.
Speaker: Is not he/she speaking 100%?
Johnakan Ur-el: No, 100% no, but 90% at this
time. But what I want to transmit to those
that don't understand the telepathic
canalization, now is that what the spirit
gives is concepts, they are ideas, they are
not words.
The word goes her thinking the medium, and
the medium can only transmit a certain
percentage of the idea or the concept that
he/she wants to give the spirit, depending
on its capacity telepathic canalization and
of other factors, as the knowledge, the
engrams and the preconcepts that he/she
has.
If my spiritual part communicated with
another spiritual part, be Ron, Jesus, or
Lao Tsé, perhaps in a single idea, in few
seconds, could you transmit one hour or more
than of dialogue of you… is that interpreted
that mean?
Speaker: Yes, perfectly.
Johnakan Ur-el: But to take it to the
earthly language he/she is necessary “to
filter it”, and many times he/she doesn't
filter completely well. For that reason,
when my red part, Jorge Olguín, makes the
corrections, it evaluates things that it can
eliminate, sew that he/she can add, to amend
always stops better, so that later that that
he/she reads it has a better interpretation
of the message that is wanted to transmit.
Speaker: It is clear.
Johnakan Ur-el: This doesn't mean that the
holder is not good medium, of course, a
transmission that is about the 90 or 95% of
fidelity can be considered something since
really exceptional, an unique case in the
planet Earth.
Another thing that I want to make them you
notice it is that some medium, erroneously,
they consider that if they take to a
Chinese, they have to transmit as if it was
a Chinese, that is to say making stress in
the special accent of that language.
A transmission emphasizes this way only what
can or it should be obviated, because in
rigor what is transmitting is the idea, the
concept, and not another thing.
Speaker: But is to put emphasis in the
idiomatic accent in short, bad in the
telepathic canalization? I ask it because
one of my previous medium, in an opportunity
that incorporated Confucio, spoke with
Chinese accent…
Johnakan Ur-el: It is not in me to judge who
transmits this way, I only say that it is
unnecessary and he/she doesn't add anything
to the fidelity of the transmission, and
he/she can even give place to confusion in
which listens, because the spirit embodies
a, ten or a hundred times or more and there
would not be any special reason so that it
used the accent of the language of some of
its incarnations, although it was the good
known one, like in the case of Confucio.
Speaker: This was perfectly clear…
Johnakan Ur-el: I will give me pass my dear
brother Ron now. The greeting with all my
blessings…
Speaker: See you later, Johnakan, and thank
you… are you already incorporate, Teacher
Ron?
Ruanel: Dear pupil…
Speaker: How does he/she go him, Teacher, so
much time? It was like be absent…
Ruanel: Never one is absent therefore
of those that he/she loves, and this is a
metaphor, we are never absent of the
well-known universe.
Before anything wanted to remind them that
light's spirits, of the 4º and 5º level,
communicate with entities that suffer of the
levels 2º and 3º that are spirits of the
Error whose ego is so increased that he/she
makes them resentful, susceptible…, then we
go to console.
Speaker: How do they arrive at those
levels?
Ruanel: We descend - to descend is a
way to say -, us “but dense”, to communicate
with those entities.
As well as you - and this was already said
by me in one of the first sessions - in the
physical plane they cannot see, except for
those that have a paranormal guess, to the
spiritual entities, those of the plane 2
cannot see those of the plane 3, those of
the 3 to those of the 4 and so forth.
In rigor, it is not that us “they see”,
because to say “to see” it is also a way to
express it, because in the spiritual planes
there is not a “to see” with eyes, since
eyes don't exist.
In the spiritual planes there is another
type of vision that is much wider. Also, we
perceive ourselves as lines.
When descending us communicates somehow with
their minds and we give them consolation, we
send them light, like to make a more
pleasant little bit their state.
Speaker: Do you suffer in that communication
type?
Ruanel: Always, because we share the
isolation… The ego makes many plays… those
that try to subject to other are… and this
says it in earthly terms, those that
vaporizing to other, those that are locked
in themselves and they don't want to
communicate… The spirit doesn't have age,
but however they are packed as earthly
creatures.
This is what loved them… Now they can pass
to the questions…
Maria A.: My name is Maria A. and I wanted
to ask him if in the field of the literary
art I am well guided and it is part of my
mission.
Ruanel: You should not leave what you
are making because it is not only very
beautiful for your person… they don't create
that to be flattered itself is lack of
spirituality. One should sometimes have
incentives, because until in the plane 5º
are incentives… for example, we motivate
ourselves when we see that there are beings
of the plane 2º that rise spiritually and
they go changing plane toward subtler
vibratory levels.
But, on the contrary that little incentive
is to observe that there are thousands and
thousands of spirits of the Error that
you/they listen to us and in spite of they
pay it remiss attention of our teachings!
We are not hurt, because when not having ego
there is not form of injuring. Yes, there is
kind of a discouragement - if I am allowed
that expression - when seeing that the
result that we have it is very scarce.
Returning to your case, it mates, it is
beautiful for your person what you are
making, and separate it is service for the
other ones, because all that is writing and
later it is read by other people it
influences in their growth.
Maria A.: can I enlarge the question?
Ruanel: Yes, ahead.
Maria A.: In this mission I will receive
help of superior entities?
Ruanel: I perceive at telepathic level
that you are already receiving help of
diverse entities.
Maria A.: Of what way receipt that help?
Ruanel: The help can receive it in the
causal body or of ideas…Lo you know because,
for example, when in a given moment you have
a topic that stops to think it to conclude
it would take you a lot of time, suddenly
the answer comes to your conscience in an
instant. This means as that it was
influenced you somehow, but it should not be
interpreted that the entities will make the
work for one. Yes, they can sometimes give
kind of a jog. And in the future you will
still have more support.
Maria A.: Another question that I want to
make it is the difference is among
Psychology Transpersonal that I have studied
about which, and the technique that the
professor has developed Olguín, that is to
say, Psychointegration.
Ruanel: I will say it for Johnakan that
is who Psychointegration has developed.
Psychointegration is a step beyond the
Psychology Transpersonal. He/she is in
charge of mainly of the part of the ego.
He/she is in charge of mainly of what is the
human attachment, the ignorance that he/she
invites to not wanting to rise… at this time
Johnakan is dictating me a sentence: “The
more knowledge has in the world spiritual,
more pain we feel.”
I translate it: When one more he/she is
integrated to another spirit, the more
knowledge one has of the soul, be human or
of beings of other systems of our galaxy or
of other galaxies, more one leaves giving
bill of all that it misses most of those
beings to rise, and then more it is
suffered… One cannot stop to feel pain for
the suffering of those beings.
Psychointegration teaches, in this sense -
something that Transpersonal makes in very
superficial form, very “of taco”, like you
would say - that “that that has more ego,
more domain desire, that more tries to be
main character, is el that more suffers.”
The only way that one has of not suffering
is to leave. But this can be not well
expert. To leave or, like he/she says my
holder, not to need, he/she doesn't mean not
to worry about the other one, but having
more time to give to the other one, since
this is the important thing.
It doesn't mean “indifference”, but just the
opposite, “to have more time to give
love.”
Speaker: Another question is if
Psychointegration is good for all or for
some Dianetics serves, for other
Scientology…
Ruanel: In the physical plane he/she
was discovered the vaccine Sabin. What is it
necessary me, if I have six months of age,
the Sabin or the Salk?
Speaker: Obviously the Sabin…
Ruanel: Then, if I can give myself the
Sabin that drops are, so that I will apply
the Salk that one gives in the back?... Like
thing separated informs you that I applied
it to me in life…
That is to say, for what reason to use any
other treatment having Psychointegration by
hand, if we know that the origin of the
suffering is the ignorance and the ego and
is this technique ideal for that?
Concluding, if we know that in all the
spirits - in all -, does the mind reactivate
it is, and if we know that integrating the
different several me, integrating the ego,
there is not way to have engrams, for what
reason will we look for another method then
if dissolving and does integrating the egos
solve the problem?
Speaker: That is well, Teacher, but when you
were red he/she came with the mission from
developing Dianetics and then Scientology,
and Freud came before to develop the
Psychoanalysis… The question is if
continually of the civilization it
corresponds him to develop a certain
technique, for el that is prepared the race
and not another for which is not prepared.
Ruanel: Be not still prepared for
Psychointegration! We know that 90% of
people make Freudian Psychoanalysis,
"Psychoanalysis of the psychologist Lacán",
and conversing with entities disincarnates,
big Teachers of the Psychology, themselves
recognizes that eliminating that attachment
is not necessary any psychological help that
dissolves any trauma type, because there is
not way to sow traumas where there is not
ego.
It would be as if you in the physical plane
wanted to sow a plant in the asphalt.
That is to say that Dianetics and
Scientology were necessary - and they are
still it -, because inside the red plane,
and inside what we go evolving, the race is
not still prepared properly for
Psychointegration, because this technique
implies to stop to be main character to
grant the protagonism to the other one…
Speaker: I know, for own experience, the
difficult thing that it is to achieve
that…
Ruanel: Notice that maternal garden,
preschool, first grades of the primary one,
those of the secondary, third, university
student and the graduate degrees is in the
physical plane.
And as well as there are people, and this
says it with supreme respect for all the
credos that according to their idiosyncrasy
or necessities go, for example, to the cult
that here calls you evangelical - and that
in other countries he/she calls himself
Protestant or Lutheran -, there are other
people that, also according to their
idiosyncrasy or necessities, they go to the
Catholic cult or the Spiritualist.
Speaker: I understand the point…
Ruanel: We will speak of the
evangelical ones… Them, with a shepherd that
says Hallelujah!, they are already happy.
But this to you would not serve you, because
it is as if you were an algebra professor
and they wanted to become trained to add
with the accountant. Obviously you would
say: But please, this already passed it! It
cannot be taught to add this way a professor
of Trigonometry, but to other people yes it
would serve them.
Speaker: This is clear, Teacher… I would
like now that it enlarges the explanation a
little, if it is possible, on the system of
auditing of Psychointegration.
Ruanel: In fact, Psychointegration is
not auditing. That makes Psychointegration
it is that each I that it is dispersed
recover their true function that makes
comfortable in the mind it reactivates, so
that this mind is analytic. What is looked
for is to dissolve or to transmute that ego.
When transmuting that ego there is no longer
fertile field for the engrams.
Not you audit to the person with
Psychointegration. With Psychointegration it
is it as if it was in Psychology
Transpersonal, but somehow making him see
the person that should not need that should
have the whole time to give.
The important thing is not to be main
character. That person that is not main
character anything will hurt it, nobody will
hurt him, you/he/she won't be susceptible
and besides her engrams will disappear,
because the engrams appears in the
protagonism.
Speaker: Could the example be valid to
explain to Psychointegration that this
treatment is as making not fertile the land
so that the grass doesn't grow, that is to
say, instead of pulling up it like one makes
in Dianetics?
Ruanel: The example is valid to be
understood, although it is not very exact
completely… I reiterate, then that is not of
an auditing, not even of Psychoauditing that
is the auditing to the Thetan.
It is something deeper and simpler at the
same time. It is that the person stops to
play. What happens is that when one being
red it is very difficult to stop to play.
Everything is protagonism. It is protagonism
that that is admired by the other one in a
way. It is protagonism that that has a
title… In the true Service there is not
holding, neither mother, neither father,
neither doctor, neither psychologist, not
even friend. We are all Servants. The
holding puts them because we are in a
society where somehow we specify them, but
we don't have to take this way them to the
tremendous one.
Somehow, if my holder is a doctor, he/she is
a doctor for the other ones, but he doesn't
stop.
Speaker: In the case of Oscar S., would
present, serve him here for example
Psychoauditing, that is to say, the auditing
directly to its Thetan?
Ruanel: It could be useful the auditing
to their Thetan, but accepting Oscar to be
treated with Psychointegration, I consider
preferable this technique to their red part
instead of Psychoauditing to their Thetan.
I consider that light's roads are valid and
those that fail are the beings human and not
the roads. I will give a brief example
before retiring because the holder is very
out.
One of the most important currents in the
Planet is that of the Sufis that you/they
are managed in 50% by their beliefs and in
other 50% for their anecdotes that are so
wise that they deserve, to say it somehow,
“it reveres” - or “to be taken out the hat”,
like you say -, on behalf of those that are
in the road.
However, in most of the countries where
he/she is practiced that philosophy the
ignorance of their inhabitants it is total,
with such a big attachment and some desires
of power so enormous, added to an enormous
indifference by the pain of the other one -
the same as the countries where he/she is
practiced the Buddhism that one of the most
important philosophies in the planet is -
that arrive to the height of the perversity
of amputating the hand of their babies to
request charity… What Buddhists' class are
they? what class of Mohammedans are they?,
what Hindustan class are they?
Us, when we are red, we love our children
with a personal love, and it is not bad
because they are stages… When I was embodied
he/she also loved from a personal way to
many people… This personal love is something
natural in the human beings, and for that
reason it is we difficult to conceive that
somebody can have such an unnatural, so
loathsome behavior.
What spirit so cruel is el that is inside
those holders so that they become cripples
to their own children amputating them their
members so that they inspire pity to the
pedestrians and to obtain this way some
miserable more rupees?
Good, those practice philosophies Sufi,
Buddhism, Brahmanism, called Hinduism…!
Light's brother Mahatma Gandhi said in an
opportunity: “I adore the Christian
philosophy, but I am disappointed of the
Christian”. And me, Ron, for my part says:
“I adore the oriental philosophy, but I am
disappointed with the oriental”…
Obviously, it is a figurative way to express
it, because the master to all, but I want
them to understand the paradox very high
philosophies to be degraded by their
followers.
The problem, therefore, I eat I already
said, they are not the spiritual limits but
those that practice them.
In one of the first messages that were given
three terrestrial years ago, it was said
that there are teachers that are so mistaken
that instead of summoning so that somehow
they revere the Creator, they summon to be
themselves those revered.
That is the great error, because what has to
practice light's Teacher is, for on all the
things, the humility, the service, and that
the traditional religions of West don't make
it: they want to be served.
They put on in kind of a true imaginary, or
physical pedestal, and they are made
literally adore for their parishioners, and
these go as livestock to adore them,
forgetting the Father that is el who
you/they should direct their looks…
The holder is very out and you more and more
he/she is hindered to translate my ideas…
Speaker: Is all this very clear, Teacher, is
not necessary to deepen more in the topic…
to finish the session, what spirits are they
present?
Ruanel: The Teacher Jesus, the teachers
Siddhartha, Lao Tsé, Confucio, Dwjal Khul,
Blavatsky, Serapis, Kwan Yin, Nagarjuna…
I mean a word regarding Nagarjuna. Nagarjuna
is one of the biggest philosophers in all
the times, reaching the culmination with its
theory of the hole. I would like them to
look for that theory and see the beautiful
thing that it is…
Speaker: We will make it…
Ruanel: My blessings for all…
Speaker: See you later, Teacher, and thank
you.
Subsequently the first session of
Psychointegration is transcribed taken place
in the planet Earth, where it was applied
by one speaker.
SESSION OF THE 6/11/99
Medium: Jorge R. Olguín
Entity that was presented to dialogue:
Johnakan Ur-el, Me Superior or Thetan of
Jorge R. Olguín.
Speaker: Who is present?
Johnakan Ur-el: The Thetan of this holder,
Johnakan.
Interlocutor:Te memory that today's session
had programmed it so that you apply me the
therapy that this holder developed in the
physical plane. I know the Auditing
Dianetics and you how it works, but I don't
know anything about this therapy.
Johnakan Ur-el: Psychointegration is a
simple, so simple road that it is obvious,
and of so obvious that it is, perhaps the
person is disappointed and I/you/he/she
underrates it saying: “But this is not what
I waited!.”
What does Psychointegration mean?
Psychointegration means “to integrate all
the lists”, to integrate all the “different
several me.”
The red human being and the spirits of the
Error have different several me. Those
different several me makes that as much some
as others live making errors and be
informal.
Speaker: I believe that Gurdjieff spoke of
something similar when he/she referred to
the unit lack in the man…
Johnakan Ur-el: This Teacher that is with me
in the 5º level of spiritual vibration, when
it was red he/she explained that the man was
like a house in which the master had been
absent being to the control his servants…
Speaker: Yes, I remember that passage in
their pupil's book Ouspenky, call “Fragments
of an unknown teaching.”
Johnakan Ur-el: … and where each servant
wants to take the control list and he takes
it bad, until el in charge comes and it
orders each servant to fulfill his list that
each I fulfill his list.
What Gurdjieff didn't know, because
obviously it was not the so much of
Psychointegration, it is that that taken
charge is the Me Central.
Speaker: The Thetan?
Johnakan Ur-el: No. Leave to the spirit and
let us speak of the lists of the spirit.
There is a Me Central that has each
spirit-generally the red spirit-and that it
is el that commands, but he/she doesn't
force.
Then, the different several me, taken by the
ego, goes to the periphery and in the
periphery they want to stand out, he/she
wants to be main character.
When they are contacted with the center of
the conscience, there they are contacted
with the Me Central that is a me of
discernment. That me power station is el
that is connected with the Me Superior that
would be 90% of the spirit in this case that
this in the other vibration plane.
But when the spirit disincarnate, the Me
Central and the Me Superior is the same
thing, because they are already united.
This doesn't mean that the spirit, when
disincarnate being, have more wisdom. He/she
has more knowledge, he/she has more memory
for all the previous lives, but the ego
makes that that spirit forgets all the good
one that he/she can have learned, to want to
stand out or to use different lists.
What happens to other people that possess
that ego, is that the ego-and I will use an
expression of you-he/she is the cousin
brother of the arrogance.
That is to say, one cannot have arrogance if
one doesn't have ego. You cannot be
susceptible if one doesn't have ego. You
cannot be suspicious if one doesn't have
ego.
Any spirit you can offend if he/she doesn't
have ego, because when the ego has been
integrated it commands the Me Central that
is the me of discernment, and anything can
offend.
Many therapists believe-because they
ignore-that the ego should be conquered, but
the reality is that the field of the
conscience is not any battle field.
I listen many therapists to say: “It is
necessary to fight against the ego”, “it is
necessary to fight against that temptation”,
“it is necessary to fight against….”
Or if they don't say “but”. When saying but
they are opposing. The but and the fight are
negative things in the field of the
conscience, because when one says but it is
objecting. Objecting doesn't stop to be a
prejudice, because he/she is doubting of
what is telling him the other one.
In Psychointegration, then, it is considered
of bad education, when an Entity is
speaking, to tell him “but I believe…”,
because when saying it, indirectly it is
objecting.
Speaker: And like one could say then when
one doesn't agree with what you/they explain
to him?
Johnakan Ur-el: You could interrupt to the
entity saying: “Maybe it could be in such a
way…”. Obviously, the Entities won't be
discouraged because somebody says: “but”,
but rather they will take it with smile,
with understanding, but I eat this it is not
a session but rather a class, I am
explaining that the but he/she doesn't stop
to be an objection toward something, and all
objections are prejudice.
Speaker: I understand the point.
Johnakan Ur-el: Let us continue… The lists
can be perfectly integrated, and that is the
way to act. Any list, any me, it should be
conquered, because the central field of the
conscience, I eat I already said, it is not
a battle field. The central field of the
conscience is an integration field.
It is very difficult to integrate the lists,
because we always think that that I that
he/she takes the control am the Me Real that
that me that he/she takes “the post”, like
you say, we are ourselves, and it is not
this way.
There is a very important example, and
he/she has given it Gurdjieff when it was
red-I refer to this Teacher because you
newly have named him-, of the youth that has
a me at night when you is to put to bed that
he/she says: “Tomorrow I should get up at
certain hour of the dawn because I have to
make certain thing and he/she falls asleep
mentally that such a thing has to make it
yes or yes.
To the dawn, when it sounds the alarm clock,
maybe el that is to the control is other me,
a “me lazy”, and when the person that is
with him tells him that she has to get up,
the “me lazy” she responds that she has time
of making the appointment up to 12
o'clock.
-But it was not that you had to meet with
so-and-so at 6 in the morning?
-Yes, but in the office I can find it
because it will be up to 12 o'clock… I will
take advantage to sleep one hour more…
That I that he/she says this a morning don't
have anything to do with the previous one
that was sure that he/she will get up at six
in the morning. And maybe be 9 in the
morning and still that me lazy he/she is
making that that spirit loafs in the bed and
don't get up.
Speaker: The question is to where the was me
of the night…
Johnakan Ur-el: It is, but in a relegated
plane, because the other one I took the
control.
Speaker: Can one say that it is a fight of
powers among the different several me?
Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way. In the same
way like in the planes 2 and 3 of spiritual
vibration that are plane of the Error, there
are fights of spirits to take the control,
inside oneself spirit is different several
me fights.
That psychologist that doesn't understand
would say that he is a paranoiac person,
because for them, according to his version
of paranoia, a behavior means this way that
the person has different personalities.
Speaker: Divided personality?
Johnakan Ur-el: In this case they are not
divided personalities for that “divided
personality” it is as that one doesn't
remember that he/she made the other
personality when he/she had the control and
until he/she has a temporary amnesia of what
the other one made, as that case amazed of
the doctor Jekyll and mister Hyde.
In this case, the me of the morning-because
after all they are lists, the memory of the
spirit is-it is remembered what said the
night previous to 11 in the night perfectly
that he/she had to get up.
It is not that he/she has amnesia and
forgets. It is not paranoia, because he/she
remembers perfectly, but el makes that
person not to get up you/he/she is the me
lazy that took the helm of the ship.
Speaker: Is Psychointegration to achieve
that each I complete its function?
Johnakan Ur-el: Not necessarily.
Speaker: I refer to if it is as of building
a house, where el in charge of putting the
bricks is, where another has to prepare the
cement…
Johnakan Ur-el: That is the theory of
Gurdjieff. But Gurdjieff also has an accent,
with all respect for the Teacher, of not
total understanding, because after all the
man is not a house, where it is necessary to
complete different functions, and the egos,
the different several me, is not as the
physical human being's organs, where the
liver completes a function, the other
stomach and so forth.
In this case, that makes the me central with
the different several me it is to take them
out of the periphery and to integrate them
to the me central.
When being all the different several me in
the me central, it would be an alone one me
connected with the divine conscience, with
the me Superior, because if it commands an I
that he/she makes bent things, then am not
commanding the me central, but a me of the
periphery.
Speaker: It is clear…
Johnakan Ur-el: Now then, which is the
defect that has the me of the periphery? It
is that it is unstable, but it is a defect
in favor of the spirit, because if there was
a me of the periphery that he/she takes the
control and it was not unstable it would be
a disaster, because that human being could
live twisted by all his physical life and it
would rot losing the physical body with a
tremendous karma.
To the unstable being, other different
several me can take the control. Until
he/she can take the control a “me sage” that
censors to the other one me that before
commanded.
Example: a comes me rebellious that he/she
takes the control of the organism, and in
that moment it discussed with another
person. Other me taking the control. That me
victim feels: “How can it be that to me they
make me this? Why do I always live
suffering? Do they live me attacking… why do
they live me making this? Why do they live
me making that?”. And this way for the
style.
He/she remembers that each I that he/she
takes the control am the person, that is to
say, when that me taking the control, is the
whole spirit el that speaks. In any moment
the I to the control will recognize that it
is the person's part. He/she will believe
that he/she is the whole person. Then the
person finds out you/he/she will feel
victim.
That person took a public transportation
maybe and while she goes traveling something
she tells him inside: “Maybe I was bad, I
should be more understanding, I should be
more tolerant, it is not certain that I am
victim, because how victim I will be if I
also put my acidity quota like so that that
person attacked me.
That I that he/she is speaking am a me
wiser. Then, that person, when it arrives to
the destination place, he/she enters to a
public place and he/she requests a coffee or
a you, and while he/she takes it he/she
thinks again. “And why do I have to agree
with to the other person? What I am, maybe
a fool? No, to me they attacked me, I don't
have to forgive, I have to return to my
house and to show misery so that that person
you of bill of the unhappy thing that I
am.”
It fits the question here: Why if me wiser
he/she had taken the control it allowed that
I rebel returned to the original
tessitura?
Speaker: For the characteristic of
uncertainty that has each me?
Johnakan Ur-el: Exactly for that reason, for
the uncertainty of each me, and also because
that I that he/she took the control was not
the me central. It was me more wise but not
very sure.
Then, it allowed that that other one me
rebellious that maybe is not the first one,
maybe be not that of the public
transportation, but one more rebellious
still, because the I in the public
transportation said: “They used me, they
attacked me, they attacked me”, and the
third me, more rebellious still, he/she
says: “I will make them pay, but not
attacking them, they will see my face, they
will see my hate, they will see my anger in
that moment and I will transmit them all my
contempt, all my scorn, I will show them all
that you/they made me.”
And this I am worse than the first one,
because the first era a me of pity, and this
is me of vengeance.
Speaker: I think that a person that has so
many different several me taking the control
along the day should be very unhappy.
Johnakan Ur-el: Of course that yes…
Speaker: I put for case that of a person
that cohabits with me that suddenly insults
me, to the while it serves me later the
coffee that I like with a smile, he/she gets
angry with me for any thing and later it
treats me as if I was the best person in the
world.
Johnakan Ur-el: It changed the me, and there
is me of conquest, there is a me of
docility, or it can have a me of
calculation: “I will try to be well for not
sowing more discord, to see how slice can
take out.”
The spirit that is already skillful in this
distrusts of them me conciliatory, because
if suddenly there is a me vengeful and to
the while there is one conciliatory, he/she
deduces that it should be a me hypocrite,
because it is a me that he/she tries to
reconcile to avoid the other person to take
revenge, that is to say: “Do I attack you
and later I do reconcile to avoid your
reprisal”. Does he/she understand each
other?
Speaker: Perfectly.
Johnakan Ur-el: Then it is not truly a me
conciliatory, because so that that I am
truly conciliatory he/she has to lapse
certain time. That person has to be first
maybe gloomy, pensive, and to open the way
to the regret and perhaps with a me a more
sincere little bit. It is not that he/she
wants to reconcile, but rather it acts with
more naturalness.
Speaker: Is it clear… does a person have
thousands and different several me thousands
Then? Or five or ten?
Johnakan Ur-el: Five, ten, a hundred, it
depends. It is as the karmas: five, ten, and
a hundred. It is not certain that a human
being embodies with two karmas. It can
embody with twenty karmas, fifty karmas…
Speaker: I understand…
Johnakan Ur-el: And there are spirits that
have a hundred different lists. That makes
that the me central, the field of the
conscience, be disintegrated. In that
moment, figuratively speaking, the soul, in
their red part, in 10%, it is disintegrated,
it is completely disintegrated.
If the person disincarnate and it continues
with those lists, the disintegration will
reach to 100% of the spirit.
Speaker: I understand…
Johnakan Ur-el: It is very easy to speak to
it; the algid question is to take it to the
practice. This is not taken to the practice
with an alone one taking of conscience,
because the different several me appears and
another time again.
Speaker: That is to say that a constant
surveillance is needed?
Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way, and an
interior vigil is needed. When saying
“vigil” I am not saying “surveillance”,
because it can understand each other bad.
Vigil means “it alerts”, not that the
Central Conscience makes of “Gestapo”,
seeing how the lists are, controlling. No,
at all.
Speaker: Is those different several me,
somehow, alive entities?
Johnakan Ur-el: They cannot take as alive
entities; they are parts of a unit that
directly take an isolated conscience. Each I
feed of the own weakness of the spirit and
it tries to stand out.
Somehow he/she has a similarity, although
distant, with Dianetics. As well as you in
Dianetics say: “The mind reactivates he/she
doesn't want to disappear”, the ego neither
wants to disappear, and it will fight until
the last consequences. And there are many
cases in that the ego masquerades so that
the me central he/she doesn't discover it.
That is something that maybe you were not
happened to think that it existed.
Speaker: Is the truth that not… How is it
that that he/she masquerades?
Johnakan Ur-el: He/she masquerades in
function of service. My cousin Siddhartha,
being red, he/she had two Illuminations. It
is primacies. And although we are in
Psychointegration, this can be good for
those that want to know something more.
Siddhartha arrived once to an Illumination
and however I noticed it as suffering and
he/she asked him: “That happens you?”. And
did he/she tell me: “I don't know, I feel
unhappy and me what wanted is to serve. I am
to serve to the other one. I am to
communicate to the other one. Because I am
to give. Because that it is my mission: to
give. Because I am good for that and however
I am tortured. And how I will be tortured if
I am very important to be tortured.”
Then, and this says it with total humility,
I helped him. For that reason always I was
propping of the Teachers:
-Do I prevail, won't spiritual brother, be
that there is an ego that is allowed to
conquer and that he masquerades in function
of service?.”
-That that you are saying cannot be, he/she
doesn't make sense.
-Clear, he/she remembers what you have said:
“I am very important”. It doesn't square
that you say that, brother.
In that moment Siddhartha looks at me and
he/she says: Did I say that?
-Yes, you have said that. You have said:
“Why I am tortured, if me for while that I
am serving and I am transmitting the Word.
And he/she makes while that I am giving a
security to my followers with my importance.
Make noted to the importance twice, I
mate.”
In that moment he/she gets up and while
he/she leaves he/she tells me:
-If they ask you for me, I gave that I will
come to the brevity. I want go to meditate
for the forest.
It disappeared thirty days. When I saw it
again it was with a radiant light. Their
face irradiated a beauty, and euphoria, such
a big happiness… and the first thing that
makes is to hug me. I didn't ask him
absolutely anything. I simply told him:
“Teacher, you are Illuminated”, to what he
agreed being appreciated.
Speaker: That is to say that it had
integrated that me that had been shot?
Johnakan Ur-el: That I that had Siddhartha
didn't want to be integrated inside the
conscience. Then he/she masqueraded of
altruism. Siddhartha served, he/she made
chats, never a complaint, never a problem,
gave the best lessons, the best words. It
was truly the biggest thing.
But I noticed-the other ones not-like a
dissatisfaction in him. He/she noticed as
that he wanted that they surrendered him
homage. Because there were some pupils that
until he/she answered him: “But that is not
this way, Teacher…”. And Siddhartha got
angry.
Then I wondered: “How, are my cousin, my
brother spiritual angry? How my brother
spiritual sensitive? Something failing here!
Se it angers when the pupils don't
understand something?
And I faced it for well. Then it was able to
integrate that remaining ego and, somehow,
when seeing that he/she had all the
integrated egos, I played it and I felt as
that he/she had a divine energy inside of
his. It had invaded it the Energy Budlike,
of which transmitted me part. In that moment
I felt as a shock, as an imbalance, and in
turn I felt as a joy.
Centuries passed so that it felt that joy
again. It had happened that it had absorbed
part of the Energy Budlike.
I will speak more before when I received the
Energy Critics. It is a topic that I want to
leave it for another opportunity, because
otherwise we would stray of the fundamental
purpose that is to explain the topic of the
egos.
Speaker: I masquerading with the Service
would be somehow? That is to say, is there
some very big ego that is to the control? I
ask it because it would seem that the
physical part of K.A. it is as that it
perceives it that accent of arrogance that I
have when serving.
Johnakan Ur-el: Yes, it is real. And the
anecdote of Siddhartha, and we are speaking
of a Planetary Logoses, he/she comes exactly
for him yours, because it is not that you
have a list: there are 4 or 5 lists that
you/they take the control…
Speaker: And when making it me conscious,
doesn't that dissolve it somehow?
Johnakan Ur-el: If you take conscience,
those lists will go being integrated. The
lists you don’t combat. The field of the
conscience, and this already clarified it;
it is not a battle field. It is a field of
love, it is an integration field.
For that reason, the technique created by me
calls her Psychointegration, the integration
of the soul. That the soul is a unit of
love.
For that reason, lowly, and when saying this
sentence I consult it with the Teachers so
that it is not arrogant, the technique of
Psychointegration is the most complete
technique that exists in all the planes.
Speaker: A person, without talking to
Dianetics, without knowing anything of
engrams, neither making Psychoauditing, only
with Psychointegration it could leave to it
floats, that is to say, to obtain equals
results or do improve?
Johnakan Ur-el: Yes, perfectly.
Speaker: Avoiding all the mentioned
techniques?
Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way. The other
way around, no, because Dianetics,
Psychoauditing, doesn't have how to manage
the lists. Anyway, and this is very
important, Psychointegration also has its
weak point because of the free will.
Psychointegration cannot make anything if
although it applies it to him the person
he/she chooses to continue feeding its ego;
he/she chooses to continue with the mind it
reactivates.
Speaker: Before to me, was Psychointegration
applied somebody? I refer of the terrestrial
evolution.
Johnakan Ur-el: Your you went the first one
to el that was applied being red, but the
Teacher Ron, in who I had a great
collaborator for it developed, the first one
went immediately to el that was applied as
spirit, after losing the physical body.
Speaker: Already how spirit 100%?
Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way. And I will
explain why. When the Teacher Ron
disincarnate, makes it free of karmas. But
when it arrives to their vibration plane
he/she notices that in their techniques
there were many deceits.
The Teacher understands them, but, in turn-I
clarify that Ron is to my side and it is to
the so much of this because we have
conversed him many times-he/she gives him
annoyance being had mistaken and it invades
it the ego in a tremendous way.
To the ego the most minimum opportunity
cannot be given because when Light's spirit
leaves a hole, the ego it is mentioned in
that whole as a wedge.
Speaker: And does it descend of level?
Johnakan Ur-el: It descends of level, but
not automatically, but in gradual form,
losing shine little by little, and when
breaking their subtle vibration, he/she
falls.
The technique of Psychointegration that I
used for the first time with Hubbard was
very quick, to an enormous, light speed… Ron
captured what I was transmitting him and
maybe in ten terrestrial minutes he/she
reflected and it was illuminated again.
Those “you start up” that has at the moment,
critical, etc., they don't make it get off
level because the different vibration planes
were created by the elohim with kind of a
range of tolerance, as which we have us, and
somehow certain licenses are allowed, as the
critics that he/she can make Ron to some
entity, red or nr.
The critic that he makes is not malicious,
since its ends with constructive. And this
way, when Ron “he/she throws” acidity
against a mediocre spirit that stands out,
good, he/she makes it like kind of a
complaint toward anybody in particular but
toward the whole spiritual environment, as
saying-using a terrestrial language very
lunfardo-“Boys, look at what is happening,
we leave of hoaxing”. I am imitating Him a
little to Ron.
But Ron is the first person to which is
applied at spiritual level, real and
concretely, Psychointegration.
Speaker: Would I be in short, then, the
first red person to who is applied
Psychointegration?
Johnakan Ur-el: In this planet, yes.
V AND to Siddhartha he/she was not applied
this technique?
Johnakan Ur-el: No, because what was made
with the Venerable Teacher was simply to
make it reflect.
Him mine with Siddhartha doesn't have more
merit than el of serving him as support. The
rest runs for bill of him. Those thirty days
that he disappears, they are thirty days of
fight, of meditation.
They are not similar, but notice that seemed
that there are between those thirty days and
the forty days that the Teacher Jesus was
also fighting.
Speaker: He/she asked it because it would
seem that I have a great responsibility to
have been the first red terrestrial to who
was applied Psychointegration. I refer to
demonstrate that the system is a valid
therapy and that it works perfectly.
Johnakan Ur-el: The only way that the system
works it is that the different lists are
integrated, and when the lists are
integrated the man he/she stops to be an
actor, he/she stops to be main character, to
be more a spectator.
Speaker: Until what end should the ego be
integrated? For example, one can to be
interested in something or it should not be
interested in anything, not even a little.
Johnakan Ur-el: A spirit that doesn't have
ego is not interested in anything. Even, I
have spirits siblings that not yet having my
elevation-they are in the 5º level but in
other sub even-they are stricter than me.
One of them that it is red, is from the
Tibet and he/she is living in the United
States, it considers that until the
beatitude it is ego. It sustains that when
we serve and we have joy, this joy is ego,
because we not even have to enjoy.
When a nurse applies him a vaccine to a boy,
you/he/she applies it to him naturally, that
leaves and another comes. He/she doesn't
enjoy, it simply applies it to him. Then,
why, when we help people to grow, do we
enjoy?
I had certain chats at spiritual level with
him and I told him: “Teacher, my humble
point of view is that el that I have
happiness to help a destitute being, for me
doesn't mean me ego. I have happiness. The
Teacher Jesus also has happiness.
He, on the other hand, says: “My humble
point of view is that if I have happiness I
am main character, therefore I have ego.
Speaker: That is not to take a posture too
to the ends?
Johnakan Ur-el: Clear! It is what I told
him. Their point of view is valid, because
if it was not it had gotten off level. But
he is unalterable, with their radiant Light.
As me I am also unalterable with my Light,
my point of view is also correct.
Then what I learned is that to have two
points of view that although they don't
coincide exactly same they are valid.
The topic is to help. The topic is to serve.
He thinks that when one enjoys it is being
involved and he/she has ego. I explain to
him that maybe that is not ego, but giving
loose rein to the happiness of the spirit,
because positive emotions exist.
One of the positive emotions is the mercy
and I don't believe, lowly that the mercy is
ego. For him, the state of beatitude is
ego.
I want to finish today's session explaining
the following thing: Let us suppose that the
physical world is a movie, and you are a
spectator that you are in the armchair
looking at that movie.
Maybe, if you are a moving human being, you
can arrive until the tears, but you don't
involve yourself with the actors. You can
take party. To take party means that if it
is a movie where there is a person that
doesn't have ego and it is being hurt by the
other one, unconsciously you are taking left
for “the good one” of the movie.
It is the same thing as when one wants that
when the movie finishes “the good one”
he/she keeps the “girl” and the “bad”
prisoner goes or learn the lesson and
disappear of scene. One was involved, but it
didn't participate. It was not hurt by that
movie
In the same way, as our mission it is of
Service, we also involve ourselves. We
involve ourselves with the positive emotion,
with the altruism, with the enjoyment of
giving, with the impersonal love of the
Service, and we involve ourselves with all
that is Service for our fellow men.
We don't involve ourselves with all that
hurts us, because if we allow that they hurt
us, it is that it is participating our ego.
If our ego doesn't participate, there is not
anything that it can injure.
I said time behind, in a dictation to my
holder, to 10 red% that we, to learn how to
integrate the ego have that taking off the
identification, the same words that my
sister Teresa said. That is to say that
arrives to the same conclusion for
separate.
Speaker: What is it concretely taking off
the identification?
Johnakan Ur-el: He/she means not to commit
with the other person with the bad emotion.
There are people that don't interpret it and
they think that the non commitment is the
“to wash his hands”. I am speaking of the
non commitment, of the negative
commitment.
The Service is a positive commitment. The
negative commitment would be to enter in a
discussion. That is what should not be made
because one would be identified.
My brother, Antonio of Melo, said, and this
is written in some books that “us, being
red, we cannot get angry with the rain
because it wets us, because it would be
laughable, ridiculous and incomprehensible
for an analytic mind.”
In the same way, to those people that try to
injure, theoretically would have to see
them, being red, in the same way like we see
to the rain.
My own holder said that it is very difficult
to be so analytic, because the rain wets you
and nothing else. On the other hand, the
other person until he/she can end up
attacking you in fact. And one is not able
to be so taking off the identification as to
pay remiss attention of that.
That is very difficult. What happens is
that, good, like he/she told another of my
siblings, Lao Tsé, “an on the way to a
thousand miles begins taking the first
step”. The first step is to integrate a list
after other, day after day.
And the moment will arrive in that one
notices that all the integrated lists are
and that truly el that is making the Service
is the complete spirit that is the me
central
The ego is integrated when you don't get
conceited for the Service, when you don't
get conceited for the flattery.
If you are a professor and they tell you: “I
never listened such a beautiful class”, and
when listening this you take it naturally,
you have already integrated your ego.
If you get conceited, or you truly blush,
you become red or you like what you/they
tell you it is because one of the egos is
still pending of integration. Maybe you
integrated 99, but there is one me
rebellious that still was not integrated.
Now, if they tell you: “the truth, I
congratulate him, their chat was wonderful,
it is the best thing that I listened in my
life, and that that I have listened big
professors!”, and your you respond with
sincerity, really feeling it: “That that me
any person has said she can have explained
to it same or even better than me”, there
you/he/she is when one can say with
certainty that you have integrated the
egos.
And I will give you an example. When the
Teacher Jesus said: “Can marvels make
similar to mine or bigger”, where was the
Teacher's ego? He/she didn't have it!
Because if he had had ego he/she would have
said: “More than me, more than Jesus? No,
you are crazy, they will never arrive to my
height.”
But that the Teacher told us? “can they make
same or bigger things that mine!, and did he
emphasize “bigger.”
Speaker: Is the explanation perfectly clear…
Now I do have the intrigue of if this
session of Psychointegration has rebounded
in something in my Thetan? Or is my Thetan
integrated?
Johnakan Ur-el: No, it is not integrated
completely. But the session is not so much
for your Thetan. To me it interests me, as
Thetan of my holder, to put all the efforts
in 10%.
The problem is the red part. It is not that
I am not interested your Thetan, but if the
red part integrates its egos, it is already.
The problem, then, is the physical part, not
the Thetan.
Speaker: Is there a mutual influence between
the Thetan and their red part? Are they
influenced positive and negatively one
another?
Johnakan Ur-el: Always.
Speaker: Does he/she mean that one day I can
be bad because my Thetan is bad?
Johnakan Ur-el: It is generally the other
way around, because being embodied causes
more problems than their part that it is in
the other plane.
Speaker: And how could it avoid me, like red
part, like it happened last time that one of
the assistants to the session group affected
me psychically and physically to have come
her very loaded?
Johnakan Ur-el: That is different, because
in this case it has not influenced you in
your ego. It can have influenced you in your
ego when he/she said that he/she was a great
teacher that she came to listen that didn't
have anything to learn that came for
curiosity. The other thing is impossible to
defend. With the psychic attacks-that was
involuntary in this case-, in the same way
that somebody can transmit to other
accidentally a virus, in that you don't have
defense, except for the harmony.
If your harmonize and you wrap up in love,
and truly takings conscience of that, you
can conquer to that using the control,
physics and psychic.
The same thing transmits to my holder. My
holder recently was destabilized because two
beings, to those that he loves, had kind of
a hostile collision, where there was
critical and where one of them still reacted
in a more hostile way.
As us we know, the hostility generates more
hostility. Then, my holder felt bad because
it hurted him the pain of other people. But
in turn it bothered him that in the future
it could have a conflict hypothesis, because
their fear is that him you without harmony
and it transmitted me to me, its Thetan, its
disharmony.
The disharmony can also make that the spirit
gets off level. This is the unconscious fear
of the mind it reactivates of my holder.
All this is not to speak of my holder. It
serves as lesson because to you they can
spend similar things. Then, my
recommendation is to tolerate until
unsuspected limits the hostile acts and
always to put on in the place of the other
one, because it can happen that that other
one cannot conquer its mind it
reactivates.
There are people, regrettably that in all
their life of red are not able to conquer
those gigantic lists that direct their life,
and finally unhappy losing the physical
body.
Speaker: What happens is that it is
difficult not to be destabilized when those
beings that have conflicts are bound
emotionally with us…
Johnakan Ur-el: That is due to that we, in
our red part, involve ourselves emotionally
because we want them personally, earthily,
not impersonally, and it hurts us to know
that those beings, it handcuffs for one,
daughters for other, don't learn, and to
like one “he/she smells” the thing, one
goes, “to eyes of good vater” that will be
very difficult that are able to revert the
situation.
Many times my intuition makes me notice when
being embodied won't evolve for stubbornness
that is one of the worst lists in the ego.
The stubbornness, in definitive, is a
spiritual blindness.
Speaker: How this of the Psychointegration
does it continue?
Johnakan Ur-el: It is necessary to continue
with the questions, seeing like the ego is,
it is necessary to continue analyzing… In
Psychointegration, apart from the therapist
that will leave marking what you go evolving
and how not, to see what it is corrected,
oneself is their own doctor, oneself is
their own observer, but at this time, the
same as Siddhartha in that occasion, you are
disguising more than a list in vocation of
service, and that can make you to get
conceited.
He/she thinks that nobody has the whole
knowledge, nobody has all the wisdom…
sometimes, to my holder it invades it a
little bit the superb one and then treatment
of communicating with their causal body to
make him take conscience of their error.
Speaker: We know that when there is a
certain engrams in on inciting producing a
certain dysfunction, and one taking a
certain medication, the mind reactivates
combat that medication so that it doesn't
eliminate him the dysfunction, because for
her such a dysfunction is “survival.”
Then, one would need to take bigger quantity
of medication to counteract to the mind it
reactivates that continues insisting on
putting in their place the dysfunction that
said medication seeks to eliminate again.
That is to say that it is necessary to take
more and more medication to produce the same
effect.
To where it aims my question it is: What
does it happen if the dysfunction is not
engrams but genetic? For example, I have
some headaches of genetic origin and non
engrams.
Johnakan Ur-el: The worst in the cases is
when the dysfunction is genetic and a small
engram can more on inciting. The engram
maybe is not as potent as to annul the
effects of the medication. It is not always
so potent. Then the medication acts.
When the effects of the medication left, the
engram is to the watching and it returns
another time the symptom that is almost the
same thing. The body goes getting used to
the drug and then precise more.
Speaker: Does the same thing happen then
when the dysfunction is genetic?
Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way. Regrettably
it is it is this way.
Speaker: Does this mean that if the headache
is of genetic origin I would have to take
aspirins the less possible thing?
Johnakan Ur-el: To take more it would be as
making him the “fat broth” to all on
inciting type, because although you only
have 3 engrams%, one can, to say it somehow,
to plot the mind reactivates with the
features genetic negatives making that all
not well physical one you on dimension.
Speaker: With regard to the aspirin that so
much has been studied here in the Earth,
they have not been, as a result of the
investigations, contraindications, except
for, like it is obvious, taken in big
quantities. But the question is if it
causes, as other drugs, addiction.
Johnakan Ur-el: No, it doesn't carry
addiction.
Speaker: That is to say that who takes
aspirins he/she doesn't need to increase the
dose to achieve the same effects, like it
happens to other drugs?
Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way. What the
aspirin carries is a psychological to be
accustomed, that is to say, if we speak to
it in terms of Dianetics, an to be
accustomed engrams.
To a person it hurts him the head and a
couple of pills takes. The following day it
bothers him a little bit. For instinctive
act-non engrams, the instinct is ego-taking
of new. Maybe that in that moment he/she
didn't need it, but for reflective act the
taking.
There el that one has to impose is the Me
Power station not saying, what I am
making.
That is to say that everything has to also
do with that.
Speaker: With the Me integrated Power
station I could combat the genetic
dysfunctions?
Johnakan Ur-el: It depends, because if it is
a genetic dysfunction, where the spirit
chose to reincarnate to fulfill certain
karma, that becomes physical, and for more
harmony than there is it is a physical
thing. An oak cannot become cedar.
Speaker: It is clear.
Johnakan Ur-el: And a person that spreads
genetically to the obesity, no matter how
much it arrives to the total Illumination it
will continue being obese.
Speaker: My Thetan could tell me, if I asked
him, on the dysfunctions that I imposed
myself to suffer in the incarnation.
Johnakan Ur-el: Of course that he/she can
say them! Is the question that maybe he/she
omits to tell you some, because, for
example, if you have a genetic dysfunction
whose genes will be shot to the 75 year-old
age that you/they will provoke you a
metastasis in your body, and suddenly he/she
does communicate with you your Thetan and
does it communicate it to you, how will you
live in that state of tension knowing that
in equis time will have such an illness?
Because although you know that the soul is
immortal and that the pain is something
fictitious, only of this plane 1, same you
will worry.
Then, there are things that maybe don’t tell
you, for example when he/she goes to losing
the physical body, because the spirit knows
when its matter will die.
Speaker: Didn't he/she have this fact… why
does he/she know it? Maybe the own Thetan
the fixed thing?
Johnakan Ur-el: No, it is not that the fixed
thing him… One chooses to be born in certain
body. That body has a genetic code. That
genetic code knows what illnesses he/she
goes or not to develop and what expectation
of life he/she has.
As us, in this terrestrial time, we have not
developed the technique of the change of
genes, we cannot modify that genetic code.
Then, your Thetan could tell you: “We will
be in 100% in such a time….”
Speaker: But in some cases it cannot be
positive to know when one goes to losing the
physical body?
Johnakan Ur-el: I don't see it as positive
the knowledge the losing the physical body
date, because it conditions you. It
conditions you for well or for bad, because
if they tell you six months, your would say:
“how I make to make the work in six
months!”. And if they tell you 35 years,
“Good, I have time more than enough” and you
vagrant.
The Teacher Og Mandino, red, said that we
should live every day as if it was the last
one. And he/she said it lacking ego, as
saying: “Why every day we cannot hug our
brother, why every day we cannot generate a
smile and to eliminate all hostile act as if
it was the last day of our life?.”
Each one of us, and this Og also told it
Mandino, he/she thinks about what it will
happen the last day: would we try to be with
the dear beings, giving love, kissing us,
asking us for forgiveness for the wrong that
we made… why doesn't this make it every
day?
Speaker: Interesting…
Johnakan Ur-el: That is to say, they are
many Light's Teachers. Don't get conceited
as much as you say: “I know a lot”. He/she
thinks of that that Og Mandino has said, in
the height of its words and he/she doesn't
get conceited.
Speaker: Is it clear… How is your holder at
this time to continue the session?
Johnakan Ur-el: It is a little tired because
he/she came from yesterday's session, where
there was much negativity, although there
were entities of Light and although he/she
wrapped up in harmony.
Speaker: Another question… Here, in a last
session, it was presented, as traveler of
the time, Kronbus that came from the
future-of the year 2500 said-, which allowed
me to see the possibility that he could be
myself. The concrete question is: if I asked
now to speak with the Thetan of Kronbus of
this present, and was not my Thetan
presented, would that mean that Kronbus I am
not of the future?
Johnakan Ur-el: That is a logical thing!
Speaker: But is the intrigue that I have if
I call to the Thetan of Kronbus of this
present and does my Thetan come, how does my
Thetan that Kronbus is know?
Johnakan Ur-el: Maybe one could not respond.
Perhaps my holder intentional that the
Thetan of Kronbus comes…
Speaker: Are we speaking of the Thetan of
the current Kronbus?
Johnakan Ur-el: Yes… AND suddenly it
channels your Thetan. Your Thetan will say:
For what reason did they call me?, or what
am I making here?
Two things can happen: 1) your Thetan is
Kronbus, or 2) the Thetan of Kronbus was not
presented and your Thetan was presented.
That is to say that the doubt will be.
Speaker: Will the doubt have it me but not
you?
Johnakan Ur-el: No, we won't have the doubt,
because us “we see” in our level. We know
who Kronbus is.
I see it to your Thetan like my holder you
leave to you. Then I won't have the doubt.
Speaker: Do you know concretely, then, at
this time with certainty if my Thetan is or
non Kronbus?
Johnakan Ur-el: We can ask it to Kronbus in
a next communication so that he/she says it,
since there is not any reason to maintain
the mystery.
The fact that Kronbus is your Thetan he/she
doesn't make jag to its red part that you
are you, because the spirit is immortal and
it is supposed that it will be in the year
2500 and later on also.
Speaker: But, do you know it concretely, or
is an incognito one also for you?
Johnakan Ur-el: This has to respond him, for
an ethics question, your own Thetan.
Speaker: It is well, I will ask it to him…
before finishing the session, and he/she
wanted to know who are present…
Johnakan Ur-el: Gurdjieff, Ouspenky is…
Speaker: They know that I was interested a
lot in their works…
Johnakan Ur-el: Today is a special session,
and like one makes Psychointegration all the
Teachers are, to those that I love so much…
the Logoses are, the Planetary
Logoses-Siddharta-, the Solar
Logoses-Teacher Jesus-, Ruanel, your
personal guide…
Speaker: I think if at some time I will be
able to pay to Ron all that helped me and
he/she still makes it…
Johnakan Ur-el: You are paying him because
when serving you-because he is Serving
you-and then you are doing him a favor. We
will make a game of words. Ron is your guide
for more than one year. To the being your
guide is serving you. When serving, who does
benefit?
Speaker: Good, in fact, both.
Johnakan Ur-el: Clear, but from the point of
view of the Service that is what interests
us, more Ron than you he/she benefits,
because he is el that is Serving.
Speaker: Obvious.
Johnakan Ur-el: Then, he also has to be
appreciated to allow him to serve you. Who
is more important at this time?
Speaker: Obviously Ron…
Johnakan Ur-el: Clear… Everything is a game
of words… Ron doesn't want to be important,
it doesn't interest him… Ron only wants to
serve…
Speaker: Do I understand it perfectly…
before finishing, is it possible to make
some evaluation in how much to my
understanding of the technique of
Psychointegration?
Johnakan Ur-el: The understanding has a
quite high percentage. Now it is necessary
that you begin to apply that understood.
Speaker: It is well… I Believe that we can
finish the session here…
Johnakan Ur-el: I greet you with all my
love.
Speaker: See you later, Johnakan, and thank
you.
SESSION OF THE 8/1/98
Medium: Jorge Olguín.
Entities that were presented to dialogue:
Asdoel, extraterrestrial of Anthea 4, Ruanel and Radael.
Speaker: Who is present?
Asdoel: I am here again with you…
Speaker: Who is communicating?
Asdoel: I am Asdoel, of Anthea 4… there are
many concepts that are not very clear. In
principle I want to explain why reason we
don't finish communicating openly with the
human race.
They are not still prepared in the part of
impersonal love. It is as that they look for
the subjection, they look for somehow
dominating one another. What I have noticed
in the last terrestrial years is a lot of
incomprehension, but that that more it
alarms me it is that the incomprehension is
even between two seemingly more people…
Speaker: Do tune?
Asdoel: Non point tunes but intelligent, of
important thought. However, when the moment
arrives of coming to an agreement in
something, or in the coexistence in common,
they have its obstacles, its problems…
Speaker: What happens is that among us still
cousin the mind reactivates and before we
are not all clear, that problem will
exist.
Asdoel: That same it is what happens in what
you call “schools” - or “instructorios”, as
we call them us -, as much among the
students as in the professors.
Then, the armed groups that it causes us
deep aversion to us are because the armed
groups are to have disputes among
yourselves. It doesn't insert in our
understanding the fact that a race arms to
fight to each other that is the same thing
that to fight among siblings.
Speaker: But have not you maybe fought with
people of Orion? I say it because we have
knowledge that el that here calls you
“Incident Roswell” it was a combat collision
between an Ovine of Anthea and another of
Orion…
Asdoel: They are exceptions… what happens is
that there are belligerent people in all the
worlds. This is not to excuse, but generally
please to other worlds but not to each
other.
The responsibility of karma, the wheel of
incarnations that that brings harnessed, it
is not smaller because they attack others.
After all they are hindering the
individual's freedom.
It is as that before the races of the
Galaxy, it causes more surprise when they
fight to each other. They are as families
that are destroyed mutually… he/she doesn't
make sense…
There are planets that he/she makes
thousands of terrestrial years that are
unified, and they have formed Federations.
There are stellar whole systems that are
unified. And there are sectors galactic
formed for near thousand, two, thousand,
three thousand suns that are unified.
Then, to see a minuscule planet, as Sun III,
to which you call Earth, and that there are
regions in war, it is a thing that causes a
lot of surprise.
I will copy myself of the language of you.
Looking at it from inside, one is accustomed
and he/she doesn't notice it. But put on in
my place: looking at it from out it is as
that it causes strangeness, it is strange,
then I sit down, with all humility that is
not still the moment likes to make a massive
contact.
Speaker: But the answer to these wars
intestines we have it in Dianetics and
Scientology, with the knowledge of the
existence of the mind it reactivates and the
engrams, given to know for the brilliant
Teacher L. Ronald Hubbard, a North American
scientist that even developed the technique
to eliminate this engrams and to clarify the
Earth, something that is already making in
massive form. In fact, the belligerent ones
terrestrial they are machines, minds
reactivate against minds you reactivate, and
until the planet is not clarified, liberated
of its mind it reactivates, that problem
will exist.
Asdoel: In many worlds alternative therapies
exist, maybe similar to the terrestrial
Dianetics, and there are other worlds that
have advanced with a similar therapy to the
blended Dianetics with telepathy
extracorporeal.
Speaker: Are we speaking of telepathic
canalization?
Asdoel: Clear…
Speaker: I ask it because we here are
developing Psychoauditing, that is to say,
the combination of Dianetics with the
telepathic canalization or, if one prefers,
the telepathy.
Asdoel: Leo the surface of your mind and I
see that in this last time, in the last two
terrestrial months, you have advanced a lot
as for communication, that which I am glad a
lot.
And I see that this therapy that you/they
are developing, telepathic canalization with
Dianetics, has a high grade of
dependability.
Speaker: The merit takes it to him in fact
Ron Hubbard that is who Dianetics developed
in our planet. And I know that at this time
it is here, with us, listening what I say,
because I have summoned it.
Asdoel: Yes, it is this way, it is here to
my side and I will leave him step. I only
wanted to transmit my thought, because we
are a race that until we have improved the
sexual energy contacts.
There are already practically some physical
contacts that we have improved them to the
such point that when we have them, what
enters in contact is then our aura, our
energy field, we have, in a relationship at
couple level, an orgasmic appearance that
not only sandal the genital part but also
all our energy field.
Speaker: I understand… For what you tell me
I should suppose that it should be something
impressive… before you retire I want to
wonder if at this time you are embodied in
the planet Anthea IV…
Asdoel: It is this way…
Speaker: Is your physical body now in a
space ship, that is to say, as passenger of
an Ovine?
Asdoel: No, my physical body is in the
planet.
Speaker: How much slow your spirit in moving
from your planet until ours?
Asdoel: The transfer is almost
instantaneous, because the distance in this
case doesn't count, since we are hardly at a
48 year-old distance light. It counts in the
physical plane but not in the plane on the
physical plane (spiritual).
Speaker: Is it clear… What are you in your
planet, maybe some philosopher?
Asdoel: I am in charge of mainly of studying
the characteristics of the races.
Speaker: Of your planet?
Asdoel: No, of other systems. I make
contact, with permission of the Logoses of
each System - we always make a towering
sense of the ethics -, because you don’t
advance a step if one doesn't request
permission. And with all the love of the
world they authorize us. The Logoses know
that our mission is to study those different
from races, to see where it can insert a
race with another. We have made unions of
planets thanks to my investigations and to
other colleagues' investigations.
Let us say that we are a planet that we have
not only made missions in the Earth, and
more than once, but rather we also look for
to mate worlds, something that we wait that
finally the terrestrial ones learn. The
reading of this, in the future, maybe serves
as seed.
Speaker: A question to the margin: you Audi
taste, that is to say, did you talk to the
technical Dianetics or have not you needed
it? Naturally, I am referring to your red
part.
Asdoel: No, because I have not needed it.
Speaker: But do you know the prosecution
Dianetics?
Asdoel: It is one of the four more important
therapies among us. One of them is very
similar to el that you call
Psychointegration.
Speaker: How interesting!
Asdoel: We, in our planet, being embodied us
also communicate telepathically with the
spiritual world. In the time in that the
Teacher Johnakan Ur-el disincarnate was,
approximately 80 terrestrial years ago,
he/she had a telepathic contact with my
Teacher, call Jhu-an-the, at the moment
disincarnate, and Johnakan transmitted him
part of Psychointegration
It has also been in contact with the Teacher
Ruanel that is the name of the spirit of Ron
Hubbard - now I am already speaking of 118
terrestrial years -, and together with
Johnakan they have transmitted him basic
principles of Dianetics.
Speaker: In your planet he/she does also
call himself Dianetics?
Asdoel: No, the name translated to your
language would be “free of audio” that is
kind of an auditing to liberate all type of
traumatic enclosure.
Speaker: Here we call you “it loads
engrams.”
Asdoel: It doesn't care how he/she is
called. We call this way it.
Speaker: In rigor, would free of audio be
similar to the auditing Dianetics developed
by Hubbard in our planet?
Asdoel: It is very similar. They have
collaborated jointly, like I said, the
Teachers Johnakan and Ruanel.
Speaker: Do they have some apparatus to
detect that traumatic enclosure? I ask it
here we have an apparatus called And-meter
that is the abbreviation of
Electripsychomeasure.
Asdoel: We have two different apparatuses.
One is very similar to the And-meter that
you/they use in this planet and other
different to measure pulsations, intensity,
change of pressure. It is a different
apparatus and that it measures a field of
conscience somehow.
What happens is that the terrestrial
technology is not as advanced as to build
it. Because it not only measures the
sanguine pressure, the pulsations, but
rather it also measures the field of aura,
or the field of conscience.
And it is superior to the And-meter because
it can mark changes of colors in the
electromagnetic field.
Speaker: Truly surprising…
Asdoel: It is important that they keep it in
mind and that they write it so that the
scientists of your planet know that that you
can build, maxim that is already
experiencing with electromagnetic fields at
level of causal body.
Speaker: Do they have something similar to
Psychoauditing?
Asdoel: Yes, but they only practice it very
high red entities, as this holder.
Speaker: Can one say that as regards
Dianetics, and what continues him,
Scientology, are you more advanced than
us?
Asdoel: Yes, thanks to the apparatuses that
I mentioned. Also, there are few minds it
reactivates in my planet. We live in a total
communion, so there are not excuses to
reactivate minds.
Speaker: Have you spoken of four therapeutic
systems… which would the other ones be
two?
Asdoel: Good, we have Psychointegration and
Free of audio, of those that I have already
spoken to you. Free of audio is really an
extraordinary technique, together with
Psychointegration, because both have that
they are mated, since the integration of the
mind is fundamental for the liberation of
the ego that so many havoc causes in your
humanity.
Speaker: And the other two systems?
Asdoel: One is a system of closed circle,
where 30 or 40 people can join in kind of an
enclosure, where directly they overturn
their experiences… Maybe in the planet Earth
something is made similar in the groups of
self-help. It is very important to overturn,
to open up…
Speaker: And the fourth system?
Asdoel: The fourth system is the
invigoration of the self-esteem.
Speaker: Do I understand… In how much to the
Psychointegration in Anthea is similar to
the Psychointegration developed here by
Johnakan Ur-el, the Me Superior or Thetan of
this holder?
Asdoel: It is similar…
Speaker: Does he/she call himself also this
way?
Asdoel: It is this way, but he/she is added
“spiritual.”
Speaker:” Spiritual Psychointegration?”
Asdoel: Exact.
Speaker: That is to say, in definitive that
you with this technique look for the control
of the ego…
Asdoel: I would not say the control of the
ego but rather to integrate the ego. What is
looked for exactly is not to destroy,
neither to fight, neither to combat any ego,
but integrating it to the total of the
conscience.
Then, all the mentioned techniques give a
similar result that el joins with the
everything, and that the everything joins
with el. It is important that these words
are registered.
Speaker: A last question: in some place I
read in a book on telepathic communications,
around 40 years ago that will arrive to the
case in that a person, with mind reactivates
and engrams, enter to kind of a inhabit and
in automatic form or in little time its
cells would be clean of load engrams. Do
they have foreseen you something like that
or is something too advanced?
Asdoel: No, it is not too advanced. That one
can make with an apparatus of cellular
cleaning… to finish I mean that Johnakan and
Ruanel has worked much together from
the spiritual planes, and they have been
able to, always with permission of the
Superior Logoses, to investigate.. They have
worked mated in two opportunities, 118 years
ago and 80 terrestrial years ago.
Obviously, the memory non reincarnate of
this holder forgot it momentarily, but I
consider that he/she is knowing it or
remembering now because I am communicating
it to him…
They have advanced a lot in the spiritual
investigation… When saying spiritual I refer
to the field of conscience, as it should
truly be said.
The topic, and this wants to leave it well
in clear, it is not that the spirits embody,
complete certain missions in the physical
plane and then lose the physical body, and
this is the whole work that you/they make...
The missions are also completed in the plane
disincarnates… AND how!...
Speaker: Yes, this fact already has it, that
is to say that one works at the same time in
the two planes, the physique and the
spiritual one, and that while the Me
Inferior completes missions in the physical
plane the Me Superior completes missions in
the spiritual plane… whenever I speak of “Me
Inferior” I find certain resistance because
I fear that it is interpreted bad that of
“inferior”, since it is always the same
spirit, that is to say that in fact there is
not neither “superior” neither “inferior”…
Asdoel: … For example, Ruanel, Johnakan
and other entities of Master travel to the
speed from the thought to different worlds
to “to throw” a rope, to express it in a
very illustrative way to who you/they
specify it.
Speaker: I understand…
Asdoel: They are permanently in mission,
because in the spiritual worlds he/she
doesn't rest, he/she doesn't fall asleep.
This, expressed in terrestrial terms would
be as that they are busy the 24 hours.
Speaker: Why do you always clarify that it
is time “terrestrial?”
Asdoel: Simply because in each system there
is a mensuration way different from the
time… I retire to leave him I pass to other
entities that you/they want to
communicate…
Speaker: I thank you here your presence. See
you later…
SESSION OF THE 3/29/02
Medium: Jorge Olguín.
Entity that was presented to dialogue: Ron
Hubbard, founder of Dianetics and
Scientology.
Speaker: Who will be presented to give
messages in the first place?
Teacher Jesus: I am the Teacher Jesus and I
come to give the following message: Dear
siblings, he/she costs to translate in
concepts the enormous quantity of ideas that
I want to transmit to all you, to those that
I want with all my heart… In principle I
want that they know that there are two ways
to evolve, one is the traditional one,
making Service for the other one, wanting
your neighbor, and the other way is
creating. Many of my siblings, even my dear
pupil, they have created, they have made
very beautiful things, and there are others
that have also achieved beautiful missions
without having created.
I want to leave in clear, I reiterate then
that there are two important things to grow:
the to Serve and creating.
It is such a high energy el that I load
today that my holder enough destabilized is…
I will allow it to rest a little and I will
send him my Golden Energy to reestablish it…
But before I want again to highlight them,
because it is very important, the Service
and the creation.
Light's spirits Serve and we are useful to
the other one, but there are either some
pupils that stand out creating, technical,
either spiritual complements, to be able to
Serve better, to be able to be more useful,
and that is very to make praise…
I will leave them to open the way to my
pupil Johnakan who will give a small
message… I send them all my impersonal love,
until soon.
Speaker: See you later, Teacher, and thank
you for the message… I listen to You,
Johnakan…
Johnakan Ur-el: I am here again with you to
deepen about the different vicissitudes that
he/she has each human being and how they can
be resolved through the technique created by
me called Psychointegration.
I want to put emphasis in that all the red
beings have different born lists of the ego.
Even the highest in the physical plane are
exposed to those lists. For logic they
cannot be exempt of them, because when being
red they are almost defenseless.
And it is logical because it is impossible
to be the whole time in state of alert, you
cannot be the whole time with the on
attention in the external attacks. All the
lists of the ego, all the different several
us is subordinated to a me central, but
maybe be not well expressed the word,
because “subordinated” it indicates “to the
order” and in this case it is not this
way.
Any I that am to the Service of the love am
imposed on the other one. It would be also
not well expressed in the poor physical
vocabulary the word “to take the control”
because the Me Power station doesn't send.
It happens that the physical vocabulary
transcribes the concept that the words of
the physical plane don't sometimes reach to
interpret it so poorly. But the certain
thing is that each I have a list, he/she has
a paper, and that paper can last hours or it
can last minutes and the different several
us they are so egocentric that they are not
taken charge by that he/she made other me
minutes behind.
And this makes it in way so unconscious for
the person that the person can make a
problematic act and to the little while to
say “but if I didn't make that”, because
other I am manipulating it.
That other one me, in turn, the “he/she
forces” to carry out another act, maybe
hostile, and at the little time the person
el is made ignored, as that it was not the
causing one of that.
This what he/she brings I get? Because
he/she brings I get accelerated decisions,
mistaken decisions, impulses that will be
always negative, because there is not a
single impulse that is positive, except for
the impulse of the hug, except for the
impulse of the “I love you.”
But those impulses even have to be
controlled - although the word “to control”
it is also poor, because we are speaking of
control and control implies “I manage”.
Better we call him then “content”, because
those impulses have to be contained and not
controlled in fact.
It is always necessary to find in the
physical plane the appropriate words so that
the meaning is not misinterpreted of what is
wanted to insinuate, and in this case it is
not wanted to insinuate as that it is
forcing something: Psychointegration doesn't
force, because it is far from all
manipulation and of all obligation.
Psychointegration proposes behaviors, but if
we will look for below and to dig, the word
“behavior” he/she also responds to a
control, because we are speaking of “to
drive”… Behavior in fact comes from
driving…
to notice that when we speak of proposing
certain behaviors in certain to be embodied,
we are he putting in rail in that level, and
putting in rail, although it is not
synonymous, it means “to prosecute”, and to
prosecute means somehow to narrow in a rail…
it is not the same thing that “to contain”,
because to contain implies more love, it
implies more empathy…
I can contain a person so that he/she
doesn't bolt, so that he/she doesn't
disperse, but putting in rail sounds me as
that one is putting limits. And in fact here
is to apply Psychointegration that what
looks for is to contain and not to narrow,
what looks for is to sustain and not to
press, what looks for is to modify, but
always with the person's implicit permission
to try.
In your case in particular, lover that you
are my brother Domanisel in the spiritual
plane, mate you have in your part red many
lists.
It happens that the lists are sometimes so
subtle, but so subtle that they are not
reached to perceive, but however they are
very subtly lists that can take you, to have
a behavior maniac-depressive psychosis. You
have a great willpower in your red part that
prevents that those changes are notorious.
You end up controlling you, but the impulses
are.
There is a Me Central in all to be embodied,
and this wants to leave it well in clear
that somehow is the common denominator of
all the different several me. But the Me
Central, contrary to the other lists, he/she
doesn't come from the ego…
He Me Power station would come to be as the
axis, as the vortex, of the Me Superior, of
90%. It is a way to express it, because when
we speak of a spirit that is disincarnate in
the planes 2 and 3 they also have lists. The
spirit disincarnate doesn't have Me
Superior, because him same it is its Me
Superior.
Good, in that case its Me Power station is
the me that if it was in all its opening it
would prevent somehow that the ego
expatiates in lists. In this case the ego
would be integrated. When the ego is
integrated it is when the appears Me
Central. Therefore, the spirit disincarnate
is 100% spirit.
Him Me Central he/she is formed, that is to
say, it leaves to glitter when the ego is
integrated and the lists have stopped to be.
This happens in the planes 4 and 5.
In the red part, in 10%, the Me Power
station also arises when the lists are
integrated. But there is a difference, and
it is that I eat in the physical plane being
embodied it is more exposed to different
situations, because he/she has a body that
suffers, he/she has a body that requests,
he/she has a body that demands, you depends
much of the economic part, you depends much
of the real physical demands…
A physical body has to feed, he/she
breathes, he/she has sexual relationships,
and all these things are somehow necessities
of the physical part, something that the
spirit obviously doesn't need.
Then, in the physical plane it is very
difficult to maintain the whole time,
without stopping the Me Central in handling.
Therefore, they will always escape different
several me.
But this is a normal thing. Even the red
beings as it is your case that your spirit
is in the plane 5º, in the red part they
always go to have different several me that
escape. This happens to all the entities
that have a red physical part and they are
in the plane 5º. This is normal and it is
not to question.
The important thing is to have, most of the
time, the integrated different several me.
And this is what achieves in their great
majority Psychointegration.
I say in their great majority because I
reiterate that it is absolutely impossible
to have the 24 hours of the day the
integrated ego.
My other brother of Light and my other twin
soul that when it was red he/she was the
Teacher Krishnamurti, during the last twenty
years of their life, and this few people
know it, you/he/she has suffered strong,
continuous, carried to an extreme,
headaches.
But he/she had such a big control in their
red part, in their physical part that didn't
prevent him at all to carry out the
conferences and the chats.
But very little they have informed on that
topic… Not all the red beings have that
control. It is very difficult.
Speaker: Is this message part of
Psychointegration? I ask it to know if I
have to include it in the technique.
Johnakan Ur-el: It is this way, this message
that I am giving is part of
Psychointegration.
Domanisel: What is that to make
Psychointegration?
Johnakan Ur-el: In principle,
Psychointegration doesn't promise magic
formulas. It serves so that the person
learns how to look at the reality from the
side of out, to make of bill that there was
a screen and one left her and she looked at
the whole environment, she looked at the
whole people as if outside of behind a glass
and she can see this way all and to analyze
them coldly.
Analyzing coldly all doesn't mean to
prejudice them, it means as that one can see
them as if he/she was looking at a movie,
seeing the different characters without
being identified, that is to say, taking off
the identification.
Anything of that reality, then, it can end
up hurting the person, because in that
moment the red person is seeing other people
from out.
It is very difficult taking off the
identification the twenty-four hours,
because not all the red people have the same
a lot to live. There are people that can be
attacked in fact and there are people that
can be attacked by word of mouth. In this
case, then, it is impossible to absorb, it
is impossible taking off the identification
because the attacks are direct.
What is it made in that case? What it is
necessary to make, obviously, like my
Teacher Jesus says: “Don't allow that the
other ones make you what you would not make
to them”, that is to say, defending is an
action of survival because it is an action
of self-esteem.
Therefore, avoiding the attack, either in
fact or by word of mouth, it is valid. And
it is even valid, in the extreme cases, to
respond to the same one up to where the
circumstances allow it.
What is not valid in the spiritual world is
to respond with more aggression of el than
it has been received. Of what is exactly it
is of stopping the aggression, not to
continue being fed with the supposed
aggressor.
Domanisel: Which would it be the lists on
those that I should work?
Johnakan ur-el: The most outstanding list on
which you have to work is el it concerns to
your decisions. Maybe unconsciously you can
question yourself some things and you can
end up generating you complex of blames for
the decisions that you take.
I am referring to “unconsciously” because I
know that if you reason him, if you are
making a rational evaluation of the
decisions to take, you won't surely have
those blame complexes because you are a
balanced person.
This knows it because I visualize it… you
Have the open mind and with the permission
of your Thetan I enter in your mind and I
see as that yes that unconsciously have that
work to make.
Domanisel: What type of decisions would they
be?
Johnakan ur-el: Of all type, big or small.
They can be decisions at affective level,
decisions at family level, decisions at
level of change of routines, and it is as
that unconsciously you can question yourself
them, that is to say that I eat that it will
always have a “but.”
Domanisel: What happens is that consciously
I feel free with those decisions.
Johnakan ur-el: For that reason I clarified
it that consciously there is not blame,
because if you put it at rational level, you
deepen him an and another time, and you are
liberated. But like you drag engrams of last
lives, and those engrams they work in
unconscious form in the mind it reactivates,
and the ego is always hidden allowing that
the mind reactivates it gathers negative
things, in the bottom, unconsciously yes
there is that dramatization.
Domanisel: And how does this modify?
Johnakan ur-el: He/she modifies in a very
simple way, with work interior. The interior
work is easy, he/she doesn't have any
mystery, he/she doesn't have turns and it
consists on taking to the surface the
reasoning of the pro and of the contras.
This means that if certain person red taking
certain decision is question of putting “in
the mat”, like one says in the jargon of the
physical plane, the pro and the contras.
That is to say, if I take certain decision
like Johnakan Ur-el in certain mission, in
certain world, it stops somehow to guide the
mind of many people in order to avoid an
ideological, but conquered conflict that
ideological conflict it is that it was a
demoralized minority decree, I anyway will
have a karma to favor because I saved for
example to the to that population's 80% that
has reverted that ideological conflict that
otherwise twenty revolutions lots later
could generate in that planet a warlike
conflict of big proportions.
Then, what I looked for is the benefit for
the biggest quantity in possible people.
What does he/she have to do that with a
decision of a single person in the physical
plane, and with your person in yes, with
what I have related before? He/she has to
see as for the concept. If you make certain
decision that not everybody finds it
correct, it can always have a person that
can leave hurt. In that case one has to
evaluate how much it weighs that wound and
how much it weighs the benefit that can
report you in function that later you can
give to others.
Because always, all the benefits that you
want to achieve for your person always, have
to be in function that later it can
surrender to others.
Never in the physical plane to evolve one
has also.
I will give some examples, maybe too basic
at personal level of things that
theoretically they would not be applied. Let
us suppose that my part embodied suddenly
enjoys going one weekend to frolic in the
grass. There a third person can visualize
that there is not a benefit for other and
that she is making it for her own
enjoyment.
But what does it happen? It happens that my
red part, once it finished that period of
rest that he/she would call himself in the
physical plane “of weekend”, later at the
beginning of their work it can be with such
a big euphoria that it can transmit it
energetically to people with those that it
can be surrounded.
Then, although directly it is not related
the enjoyment of the weekend sitting down
somehow in the grass with people that it can
contact at the 24 hours, yes it is he
indirectly related because there is a
feeling of more euphoria that if such a
thing had not happened.
In this case, and speaking specifically of
your person, if you make decisions with
those that not everybody agrees, they are
valid while to you surrender utility and
euphoria or a harmony or a balance. Harmony,
balance or euphoria, anyone of three o'clock
is important because later they will be
“used” so that you can serve to other, where
many will see beneficiaries.
Then, in that scale it will weigh more what
you can transmit to have made that decision
that what could weigh if you had not taken
it having in all the opinion of those that
they didn't like.
Good, if that takes out it to the surface,
you evaluate it, you make a mass with it,
you disintegrate it and that mass disappears
because you have already digested it, then
you will dissolve that internal complex
supposition that is very hidden and always
at some time can leave to the surface.
If that comes out to the surface and you not
only have your clear rationality in your
conscious part but also in your unconscious
part, nobody of out it hurts you again, or
like one says in the physical plane “to
throw in face something”, that is to say to
reproach you “you make fact such a thing and
it is a hostile act”. It is not this way.
Not all the hostile acts are made in
function of utility. There are hostile acts
that are made in function of the free will
of each one. Each person embodied in her
moment has to make a decision and you/he/she
always happens that not everybody agrees and
not everybody comes out much stopped.
I will give an example. There is a brother
that is in the plane 4º and it is red and
he/she has around 40 years and he/she has a
factory. But regrettably it is going by a
quite difficult economic situation and him
he/she had near 30 people working to their
service and he/she had to do without of 10.
It has created a tremendous wound in those
10 people. But it happens that he made a
countable calculation that if he continued
six months working under those conditions
he/she had had to close and then all would
be harmed because they will stop hopelessly
to the street.
Then, he had to make a decision. I
tranquilized him making him know that that
decision that el made didn't affect in the
spiritual plane to its Thetan and it didn't
get off the 4º level because it was a
conscious and balanced decision.
The balance is not quarreled with the
spiritual thing, but just the opposite. The
physical plane always puts us in the
crossroad of deciding things. And this is
not only in the affective plane… This can be
in the labor field, in the family field, in
the field of a forced transfer to another
city where they are had to leave
attachments, loves… Many times this
happens.
Then, what Psychointegration teaches is to
evaluate - through the mind lacking ego,
because that is the most important thing -
what it would happen if we don't make
certain decision, that is to say, to what
extent, to favor those people that were
against our decision, we can or not to
collapse more in things that we could have
avoided, with the added difficulty that in
definitive it is most el that is affected at
the end.
In the physical plane it is very difficult
to achieve the approval from all over the
world. Then, what one has to make is to give
the maximum thing for the biggest quantity
in red spirits, or at least to give the
maximum thing for those spirits to those
that they care truly growing, because not in
all the cases Psychointegration goes in
search of the quantity.
This means that if suddenly you were a
teacher and there were on one hand twenty
children that want to learn and for the
other side forty children that you/they
don't pay you attention, there no longer
would go in favor of the quantity, but
rather first you would take pains in
teaching to all, but if the other ones forty
pay remiss attention to your efforts, the
logical and reasonable is that you use them
in the twenty that yes they are attentive.
And you should not have any blame complex to
make that decision of leaving at forty
abandoned, because in fact you are not
leaving them abandoned, but rather they have
been abandoned alone. Does this understand
each other?
Domanisel: If, with all clarity.
Johnakan Ur-el: Well, that is what
Psychointegration teaches. He/she teaches
that each red being has to have guided to
all his different several me so that they
don't transmit anything negative to the Me
Central and that the Me Power station takes
the control, to call it somehow, and that
that Me Power station impedes illusions.
Illusions would be as that of out they
transmit us things that you/they want to
make us believe and that in fact they are
not this way.
Then, all decision that we make is to make
it keeping in mind that not even in the
spiritual plane we are certain. The only one
certain it is the Absolute one, our
Father.
If in the spiritual plane we are not certain
and we can sometimes make a mistake in a
mission, with more reason we will be
susceptible of making a mistake being red.
The important thing is the premeditation.
Then we won't get off level because the
premeditation truly maintains our high
vibration. In the spiritual plane nobody
judges us, it is the premeditation with
which make the things not what counts, the
result, because the result doesn't sometimes
depend on us.
Many times we even try to transmit positive
influences to the causal body of many people
that you/they are conflicted and of ten
times nine fail. But I eat it was already
said in having reiterated opportunities,
ultimately it doesn't care the failure so
much, but what we attempt.
So much you in your spiritual plane that you
attempt it permanently, as all us, even the
own Teacher Jesus, we fail nine of each ten
but in spite of we enjoy it that mission…
Obviously that we become sad when we don't
obtain the total result, but equal we enjoy
the search, we enjoy the mission, we enjoy
the intent, even knowingly of those
probabilities in against.
How is this applied in the physical plane
for Psychointegration? Let us suppose the
communication at family level with your dear
beings, at work level with your patients, in
your personal life, with your friendships…
it will have who listens to you and who not,
it will have who he/she gives you your
support for things that you want to make and
it will have who after having you given him
they retire it…. That usually happens.
I don't say that you don't thwart yourself,
because it is in the red human being to be
thwarted. Us also in the spiritual plane we
thwart ourselves, but we reason him, because
being thwarted doesn't take to any goal. If
we had a mensuration like in the physical
plane it would be an I thwart that it can
hardly last a thousandth of second.
But later we reason that what we enjoy is
giving and if there are other people that
don't accept our way to think or that they
don't accept our decisions or that directly
if we try to impart directive to our dear
beings they try to erase them those
directive ones to impose them other, our
tool is not to slack and to continue
continually with our purpose, but always
depersonalizations.
You in the physical plane have biological
knots and to those small biological knots
you try to give them indications. And you
know that there are other people that those
indications give them turn.
Well, the secret is that depersonalized are
completely, as so that you try that it
affects you the less possible thing the fact
that they erase you those indications
putting others that are completely absurd.
The only way that they don't affect you it
is, I reiterate, o lose the personality to
be able to return another time, beginning of
zero, to transmit your indications. And like
they are made with love that result it will
be imposed in the causal body of those
beings that you/they are biologically near
and they will be much more engravings in the
unconscious that the other indications that
are superficial, because they will be
recorded in the body of the ideas or in the
body of desires or emotional.
And it is important that you understand that
the causal body records in a deeper way that
the emotional body or of desires. Then, the
indications of love and of positive behavior
they will generate in an indelible way
inside the spirit from each biologically
next being to you.
Knowing that nobody can modify your form of
being, nobody can modify your decision,
nobody can modify anything of that you make,
because you will only be able to make it.
Domanisel: Concretely, what is the causal
body?
Johnakan ur-el: The causal body is one of
the three more important subtle bodies. It
is the body that not only contacts with the
Me Superior of each one but also with
Light's entities. But of physical to
physical, and this is important to
highlight, when a physical person tells to
another person physical important words,
belong already to Light, of love, of
evolution, they are also recorded in that
person's causal body that receives those
words, in the same way as other denser
words, she understands each other speaking
vibratorily, they are recorded in the body
of the desires.
We constantly see how much people there is
that it tries him to impose to the other
feelings of anger, of hate, desires of
vengeance… and all this is also engraving,
but in a more external layer, because the
body of the desires is more external. The
body of the ideas or mental it is more
internal. And the causal body is el that is
in the center of everything. That is el that
is indelible, he/she never fades.
Then, it doesn't care that to your wanted
beings other people try to implant him other
ideas, while you have the security what you
implant him to be the correct thing.
I clarify that the word “to implant” in fact
it is not well expressed because it means
“to impose”… The important thing is that you
understand to what I am referring.
Domanisel: Yes, I understand it perfectly.
Johnakan ur-el: We are speaking of sowing or
of planting, not of implanting, so the seeds
germinate in that causal body. You already
know that the words hardly translate a
millionth of the concept that is wanted to
express.
Domanisel: And with regard to my daughter
that the quite unbalanced encounter?
Johnakan ur-el: It is important that you
don't slack with your biological daughter
and continue sowing in their body causal
ideas of love and of reconciliation, always
trying to make him to understand that the
only thing that will take it ahead is the
harmony and fraternizing.
In this case I am giving to the word to
fraternize a wider sense. Not only to
fraternize at biological level with you, but
also with their other being faced
biologically, the sister, and to fraternize
with all the friendships that he/she can
have. And to make him understand that the
tomorrow's day one of the things that will
take root him in the spiritual road is in
fact the responsibility.
The responsibility is part of growing
spiritual. You have to put a lot of emphasis
in this and to be explained to it well in
the understandable way that is possible.
If she reasons which the mission of the
responsibility, its behavior is he/she will
make a very important favorable change.
Domanisel: The problem is how to make him
understand a girl what is the
responsibility…
Johnakan ur-el: In the red spirits, each
biological age makes its own sense of the
responsibility. To that biological age so
premature it cannot put it to the front of a
home, but yes it can put it to the front of
their own tasks.
Domanisel: That it is exactly it that more
he finds difficult…
Johnakan ur-el: Clear, and for that reason
it is important that you continue putting
emphasis in the topic of the responsibility.
Anything of that makes in this sense he/she
will fall in broken sack…
But he/she remembers that you have to speak
to him without “I gestate puckered”, simply
as if you were narrating a story in that
moment, something like that eats making
theater, for that which I know that you have
aptitudes. Naturally, always keeping in mind
that the narration or the making theater
have to be in agreement with their
biological age.
Although he/she takes it as a game that
learns how to be responsible as a game, and
you will see like at the end it will achieve
it.
All this is part of Psychointegration,
because the ego is not responsible. The
spirit is responsible, but it is responsible
only when the ego is integrated.
Then, Psychointegration also serves so that
each red being is responsible. And to be
responsible means to be formal. If you begin
to analyze each being that surrounds you,
you will see that nine of each ten in some
measure are informal.
They can be informal in to promise and not
to complete. They can be informal in
schedules… I am speaking of cases that are
not of more force, like they can be delays
because of some accident or of any other
problem. But a lot of people have the habit
of the informality, and the informality is a
common denominator in all the people. And to
be informal is sign of not being
responsible. And not to be responsible is
because the ego manipulates the situations.
Does that understand each other that mean?
Domanisel: Yes, it is clear.
Johnakan ur-el: Analyze it and you will see
how of each ten people nine in some that
another measure is informal and they don't
complete what you/they promise.
Lastly, and so that it is all clearing in
this first to deepen of Psychointegration,
the ego betrays the own person. The ego
doesn't work in favor of the person, because
that ego makes the person to make things of
those that later is sorry a thousand
times.
The ego doesn't act in favor of the person's
interests, it doesn't defend them for
anything, and it is totally in against. It
is only in favor of their passions,
something that the spirit exactly doesn't
have: the spirit doesn't have passions,
because the spirit doesn't have impulses.
The spirit is sweet, the spirit is Light.
The enthusiast is the ego, the impulsive one
it is the ego.
Reasoning this, the spirit has to have the
gift to remove him the power to the ego and
to integrate it. And I say to integrate it
because the ego is never destroyed. The Well
doesn't destroy. The ego is never
eliminated, the ego you doesn't combat,
because the mind, as I have told it many
times, it is not a battle field. The mind is
a field of harmony.
Here you is not fighting against the ego,
but rather he/she is being integrated the
ego. The ego is very necessary when the red
spirit is born, because at the beginning the
human being is totally destitute. The red
human being is among the few animals that
when they are born they are very destitute,
it is one of those that less it is been
worth by itself.
Then, at the beginning, the human being
needs of his ego, and his ego is valid
because he/she makes the baby to request.
It happens the same thing that was necessary
with the prehistoric beings whose mind
reactivates to escape from the dangers of
the means or to be able to hunt its prey.
But once the being evolved, that mind
reactivates it was outside of place,
sterile, useless.
Once the baby grows, the ego is already a
ballast, because the ego sees that the baby
felt comfortable requesting and having what
wanted that later seeks to continue making
the same thing. Does that understand each
other that mean?
Domanisel: Yes, perfectly.
Johnakan ur-el: Most of the red beings
continue in fact acting as children to
obtain interest of the other ones…
Speaker: Johnakan, is the tape of the
recording ending… do I Give turn el marries
he/she stops to continue?
Johnakan ur-el: No, it is not necessary,
with that exposed in this session it is
enough… Analyzes it, meditate him, and apply
it… I say goodbye until the next session.
Speaker: See you later, Johnakan, and thank
you.
GLOSSARY
Extracted terms of the Technical Dictionary
of Psychointegration (it is included in the
Part D: www.usuarios.lycos.es/grupoelron3)
SUBTLE BODIES. Gr Elron. According to the
occult philosophy, centers energy vibration
that are around a to be embodied, for which
the vital energy flows. These centers
communicate to that being, on one hand, with
its Me Superior (soul or Thetan), and, for
the other one, with the spiritual entities,
so much of Light as of the Error.
In being embodied there are three subtle
bodies: the causal Body, the Body of the
ideas or mental, and the Body of desires.
With the first body they communicate Light's
spirits to transmit concepts of harmony and
reconciliation, treating that the Ego
doesn't have so much "power" on the human
being. With the second body they can
communicate all the spiritual categories:
those of Light to guide in confusion or in
lapses by heart, and those of the Error to
confuse or to create more chaos in that
person's mind. And with the third body, that
of desires, they communicate the spirits of
the Error so much (v.) as the Demons (v.)
and the Energy Ludicas (v.) that look for to
make grow the bitterness, the temptation,
the intolerance, the arrogance, etc. that
you/they are the good known lists of the
Ego. If being embodied is fairly balanced,
he/she can pay remiss attention to their
body of desires (that many confuse it
erroneously with the sex) and to only pay
attention to their causal Body.
The fight among those two bodies (the causal
one and that of desires) it is transcendent
in the history of the terrestrial race. And
no body has more power than the other one
(the opposite would be equal to cut the free
will that the Creator gives to all the
beings)... being possible it gives the
receiver according to how it is
internally.
The Body of desires is also called astral or
emotional body, providing the experiences
related with the desires and the emotions
egoists.
The causal Body lasts during the cycle of
reincarnations, even in Light's planes,
because this body doesn't give space to the
Ego that yes it participates of the half
body (of the ideas) and of the inferior body
(of the desires).
This causal Body, like it is in a permanent
way in all the planes, it is part of the
spiritual evolution, serving as
communication between our earthly conscience
and our Me Superior (90% of our non red
spirit that is in the spiritual planes that
correspond to their vibration). It also
serves as knot between us and the angelic
entities.
That causal Body or Body mental superior
owes its name to the fact that in the same
one the causes that are manifested as
effects in the inferior planes reside; since
the experiences of last lives accumulated in
the causal body are the origin of the
general attitude that we assume in the face
of the life, as well as the undertaken
actions. But while the Body of the ideas or
mental it serves as holder or deposit for
the essence of the human being's experiences
in their several reincarnations, in the
causal Body it is interwoven all that it can
last, and in the same one the qualities are
conserved that the human being will take to
the next reincarnation. So that the man's
inferior manifestation, that is to say, the
thinking expression of the same one, is
recorded in its body of ideas and its
"learnings" are rooted in its causal body.
For that reason the causal body is the
holder of all the durable one, of the noble
and harmonious. All pure and high emotion
ascends in vibration in this body.
The Body of the ideas or mental it is the
vehicle of the conscience that he/she keeps
relationship with the terrestrial experience
that the human being has reached during his
last lives. And as well as the specific work
of the causal Body is the decoding of the
spiritual thought, the task of the Body of
the ideas or mental it is to conserve the a
lot to live and the thoughts in the
different lives. Regrettably, the Ego
embraces this mental body and it can
manipulate it so that the elaborated
concepts are erroneous.
The subtle bodies are the key for the
spiritual Elevation, according to the
importance that the red human being offers
to each body.
In Buddhism, the call Bodhisattva is that
that gives up its sanctity to continue
helping the neighbor. If this transfers it
to the causal Body, we will say that the
Bodhisattva refuses to the enjoyment of the
Illumination that you/they transmit him
Light's spirits and it follows living the
suffering of the environment to be "in
permanent" commitment with the pain and to
teach that the same one disappears when
conquering each human being its
attachment.
Mention. Dec. Acad. Intellectual power of
the soul. ¦ Design, thought, purpose, will.
¦ In Psychology, group of the activities or
conscious and unconscious psychic processes.
¦ Gr Elron. Group of mechanisms (he/she
mentions to decipher code, mind it
reactivates impulsive, mention it
reactivates automatic, mention somatic) that
help to the survival of the red beings.
To also see analytic Mind. Mention to
decipher code.
Mention analytic. Dn and Cn. Him Me, the
unit of conscience (v.) that uses to the
mind to decipher code (v.) to outline and to
solve problems related with the survival.
The analytic mind is not a machine, as yes
it is it the mind to decipher code and the
mind reactivates (v.). The analytic mind is
the unit of conscience, the own individual,
the me, el that thinks and it acts. The
individual can use the mind to decipher code
but he doesn't mention it reactivates, since
this is an automatic mechanism of survival
unaware to his volitional control.
In strict sense, when we speak of analytic
mind we are referring to 10% of red spirit.
To 90 spirit% that is in their origin plane
and it doesn't embody, we call it Thetan
(v.). We don't call him “he/she mentions
analytic” because the Thetan doesn't analyze
to know, directly he/she knows without
analyzing.
In wide sense, we want to mean the formed
group, of a side, for the individual, the
operator, and of the other one, the called
prosecution of data mentions to decipher
code, since this, being a machine; it only
charges true sense when he/she conceives it
to him together with the person that manages
it.
MENTION CONSCIOUS. V. he/she Mentions
analytic. Unit of conscience.
Mention to decipher code. Gr Elron. Control
system among the unit of conscience (v.) and
the physical universe. The mind to decipher
code is not the brain (v.). ¦ leaves of the
mind that, under the direction of the me,
that is to say of the analytic mind (v.), it
processes the contained data of experience
in the bank of memories (v.) and then it
acts. ¦ Another of the functions of the mind
to decipher code is to convert or to
transform the images or ideas of the spirit
in understandable concepts in the physical
plane. The medium, in fact, uses this mind
to translate the thoughts (you devise) of
the spirits to words or expressions of the
average language.
Mention egoist or not integrated mind. Gr
Elron. The mind whose Ego is not still
integrated. Each one of the Different
several me takes turns in the control and
he/she is for a while the absolute master,
according to their list (of victim, of sage,
of crazy, of irascible, of peaceful, of
susceptible, etc.). Later the Master comes
(the me entire or Me Momentous) and it puts
the things in his place, that is to say, it
integrates or all the Different several me
unifies. An approximate example of what
could be a not integrated mind, would be
that of an orchestra in el that, in the
director's absence, he/she takes for shift
the baton each one of the members, printing
to the execution an in agreement modality
with its own personality or idiosyncrasies.
This way, the impulsive violinist forces the
orchestra to an exalted execution, the
reflexive and abulic cellist, to a sad and
boring execution. Later, when it assumes the
address the hysterical tenor, it offers an
execution agitator, inconveniencing to all
the present, and when he/she makes it the
smiling and extroverted saxophonist, it
transforms the depth of 5ta o'clock.
Symphony of Beethoven in a comic opera of
Rossini. And this way for the style. When
the judicious stable director finally
returns, it prints to the piece the
character that corresponds him and the
orchestra is integrated [3]... and
everything goes perfectly well until again
she is absent and they take the baton again
and to direct the orchestra the different
performers. That is to say, the person that
has integrated her Ego is not free of
backsliding, because the Different several
me is to the expectation, hidden and clever
to take the control again. The surveillance
of the Me Entire or Me Momentous it should
be constant. The unit lack in the man is one
of the causes that cause the biggest
conflicts, because the ideas or the
attitudes vary according to the Me that
he/she has taken the control in that
moment.
Mention integrated or INTEGRATED EGO. Gr
Elron. Unification or integration of the
diverse Different several me in an alone one
me, the Me Entire or Me momentous. When the
mind is integrated two things they take
place: 1) the analytic mind reaches its good
level, and 2) the mind reactivates it is
helpless of working and therefore there is
not to vivify engrams. The man is clear (v.)
in permanent form, and when being free of
engrams it computes and it acts
rationally.
To also see momentous Conscience. Me entire
or me momentous.
MENTION IT REACTIVATES AUTOMATIC. Dn and Cn
and Gr Elron. Mechanism created by the
elohim for the survival in the physical
plane of 10% of the red spirits, since 90%
of them is in its origin plane. The mind
reactivates automatic he/she reacts
instantly, impelling to the organism to the
escape, starting from the experiences
engrams filed in its bank reagent. ¦ Leaves
of the mind that files those incidents
(engrams [v.]) that contain physical pain or
painful emotion (for example, the fall of a
stairway or the death of a to be wanted) and
it tries to direct to the organism by means
of stimulus-answer (given a certain stimulus
is certain answer). He/she only thinks of
identities: A=A=A=A. The mind reactivates it
is not low the control of the individual's
will and he/she exercises to be able to of
control about its conscience, purposes,
thoughts, body and actions. In essence, it
is a very primitive mechanism of survival,
of category below an idiot, mounted at
cellular level. The mind reactivates it is
not in a specific place of the body, but in
all the identifications of the organism.
To see Calculation also reactivates. Mention
it reactivates impulsive. Mention somatic.
MENTION IT REACTIVATES IMPULSIVE,
THOUGHTLESS OR EMOTIONAL. Gr Elron.
Mechanism created by the elohim for the
evolution of the spirits whose purpose is,
when the spirit is not red, of serving as
obstacle to conquer, since the mind
reactivates impulsive it depends on the Ego
(v.), and, when the spirit is red, besides
obstacle to conquer, also like half of
survival.
The mind reactivates impulsive work moved by
the desires or affective reasons that he/she
induces to make something in a sudden way,
without meditating. With the result that it
also denominates it to him emotional or
thoughtless.
The difference among the mind reactivates
impulsive and the mind reactivates automatic
(v.), it is that while this, to react and to
impel to the organism to the escape,
requires the previous acquisition of engrams
(v.), that makes it without necessity of
them. The fear to the darkness, to the
insects, to the hole, etc. is part, in fact,
of the inherent content of the mind it
reactivates impulsive.
The Ego constitutes one of the reefs of the
evolution more difficult of overcoming,
because its fundamental list is the
protagonism (v.) that brings as unavoidable
consequence the ambition of the Power. As
the spirit evolves, their longings of being
played go reducing, and in the same measure
he/she goes him giving the protagonism to
the other one. When the Ego is completely
integrated, the spirit no longer has any
desire to play and its necessity to be served becomes a necessity of serving. This
put it of relief Jesus when he/she washed
him the feet to their pupils, moment in
which the Teacher had the completely
integrated Ego, their desires to play had
already vanished and the only and true main
characters for him were their pupils. Their
final teaching was that the leader should be
a servant.
To also see Unconscious. Mention it
reactivates automatic. Mention somatic.
MENTION IT REACTIVATES UNCONSCIOUS. Gr
Elron. Third mind reactivates, together with
the mind it reactivates automatic (v.) and
the mind reactivates impulsive (v.) whose
function - negative - it is to capture
subliminal messages, subtle sentences, you
devise and other things, not in its true
sense but in the misleading sense, impelling
the person to a missed behavior. For
example, you dialogue with another person
and maybe are not well predisposed with her,
and, then, any thing that says, your mind
reactivates unconscious it misinterprets it
to pleasure and pleasure.
Suddenly your computer works bad and flames
to the technician who apologizes sincerely
of assisting you because in that moment it
is busy with another client, and then your
mind reactivates unconscious, evaluating in
whimsical form that that technician is not
worthy of credit, he takes the excuse like a
jeer and starting from there you defame him
with other people so that they don't use his
services. This mind acts this way in
arbitrary form.
The mind reactivates automatic and the mind
reactivates impulsive they are not exactly
the unconscious, because the unconscious
even acts being the analytic mind working to
full. And for Psychointegration (v.) it is
known that when the person is analytic, that
is to say, in the fullness of her reasoning,
you/he/she is not you/he/she reactivates,
neither automatic neither impulsive. And
being analytic, all that you go, hears, or
it captures with anyone of their external
senses it will be filed to their bank of
memories (v.) that is an analytic bank.
The analytic bank is a bank that discerns
that thinks, with 100 reason%, because, in
definitive, it is the spirit el that uses
it.
In this analytic mind, however, it also
operates the unconscious that, it is worth
the reiteration, it captures subliminal
messages, loose sentences, you devise and
other things that he/she believes that they
are this way and in fact they are not it.
That unconscious is not identified with none
of the three minds (analytic, it reactivates
automatic and it reactivates impulsive)
because inside he/she has several pulses,
he/she has emotions, he/she has desires, and
it is so irresponsible that it doesn't
measure the consequences of its acts. It is
an unconscious that the only thing that
looks for is to satisfy their desires.
The mind reactivates unconscious, although
it embraces all the minds, it is, in yes, a
complete mental mechanism. It includes it to
him among the minds you reactivate because
he/she also reacts. But it is the most
dangerous and the most difficult of trying,
in fact because interacted with all the
minds.
If a person somehow is watched over
you/he/she can control the impulses of the
mind you/he/she reactivates impulsive, and
possibly also of the mind you/he/she
reactivates automatic, but she cannot make
the same thing with the mind you/he/she
reactivates unconscious, because as this
you/he/she is very hidden, you/he/she cannot
perceive the conflicts that you/he/she is
gestating.
The secret so that that mind reactivates
unconscious he/she doesn't have to be able
to it is to be permanently in love, it is to
be thinking continually of the other one, it
is to be respecting permanently to the other
one. But remembering first that all work
goes by oneself.
It doesn't exist in none of the planes an
entity that he/she loves to other if first
it is not loved itself, and this doesn't
have anything to do with the self-centeredness,
but with the selfishness. Selfishness
doesn't mean not to want to the other ones;
it means to be wanted oneself.
And the selfishness is well, because the
only form of being able to want to the other
raisin to be accepted first one. If one is
accepted, if one is respected, it accepts
and it respects to the other one. Then, all
the several pulses, all the emotions, all
the derailed desires will be putting in rail
inside that mind and they won't affect at
third.
To also see Unconscious.
Mention somatic. Dn and Cn. It leaves or
function of the mind that, directed by the
analytic mind, the mind reactivates
impulsive (v.) or the mind reactivates
automatic (v.), it executes the orders at
physical level (for example, impelling to
the organism to the escape, producing him
organic illnesses (arthritis, ulcers,
allergies, etc.) or mental dysfunctions (depression,
phobias, etc.).
[1] We don't take tolerating as "supporting
somebody whose presence is unpleasant",
because we would be speaking of a
condescending ego. In this case I translate
tolerance like to "accept or to admit, for
approach width, ideas or opinions different
from the own" ones.
[2] The spirit or soul is also denominated
in some oriental philosophies "Me Superior".
In Scientology he/she is called Thetan,
being this more appropriate term because it
eradicates the false idea that the man has a
soul: the man is that soul. In
Psychointegration he/she was proven that 10%
of that soul is only embodied in the person
and the other 90% it is in its plane of
corresponding vibration. Through the
telepathy - own or using a trained medium -
one can make contact and to dialogue with
her. The man, when "dying", returns at the
spiritual level in that he is his soul or
Thetan that it is immortal and he is
integrated with him. That soul, however, it
can ascend or to descend of level, according
to their behavior in the Earth. There are
not any prize or punishment, single
consequence.
[3] The orchestra is integrated, not when
each performer completes her list, but when
all the performers are one with the
director. If we sustained that each
performer should complete her list, we would
arrive to the absurdity of saying that each
performer should print to the score the
character that is happened, according to her
idiosyncrasy or to her state of spirit of
that moment, instead of which considers
appropriate the judicious director.